connection drei Beten, Bertha and Gertha?

[Kraftr]

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I was looking for a Frya translation for the word love for the middle one and stumbled on Ott's blogpost abouth GERTHA(desire)https://fryskednis.blogspot.com/2024/01 ... ehren.html
thinking about Gertha as a name for these three inspired by the three Beten, I came up with Ma gertha(maiden, my/men's desire, aspiration, hope, freedom), willgertha(justice, agency, grace, love), wargertha(desire for thruth(warhed), wisdom, faith), so kind of like freedom, justice and wisdom? Maybe there is a link with Berthe(France), Bett(german) and Gertha?And Minervas adagios were maybe the short version cannon of her upbringing, and people would've understood this.
Were the seven maidens attached to the 7 virtues, schooled in them, supervising these aspects in society? The trivium and quadrivium, the basis of the sciences also amount to 7.
...and what is frya for love?

[ott]

Interesting thoughts and questions.
For now, just some notes on the spelling and interpretation:

'Love' is spelled LJAFDE, 'desire': GÉRTE, 'truth': WÉRHÉD (origin of 'veritas').

Besides FRYDOM (25x), FRYHÉD also is used (5x). Likewise, WISDOM (17x) vs. WISHÉD (7x). Someone could do a word study to see if these varieties are really synonymous, or if there is a difference in use. Note that Dutch and German (the more obvious descendants of Fryas) now use the -heid/-heit varieties, whereas English kept -dom (though also accepting ugly foreign words like liberty and prudence).

The word for 'girl' — MAN'GÉRT(E) is fascinating; compound of MAN/MÀN (man or human) and GÉRT(-E) (desire). As it is used for the mothers of mankind, they may have been named after Wralda's desire to 'create' the human species. Born from Earth and not needing a male to procreate, they should rather be considered superhuman/supernatural, different from us, their children. Frya may then indeed have lived long enough to raise seven generations of her offspring, before she moved to her watch-star. Just like Wralda's 'od' made these primal mothers carry their children, it will have made Earth carry her offspring, including the three 'man-gérta', who would become the first mothers of man. For the Dutch translation, I tried to express this in my preliminary translation:

Na het twaalfde Joelfeest [ging Wralda's verlangen naar mensen in vervulling en] bracht Aarde drie oermodellen ter wereld: ... (After the twelfth Yulefeast, [Wralda's desire for humans was fulfilled and] Earth gave birth to three archetypes: ...)

[Kraftr]

Thanks! Very interesting.
I also wonder about possible connection of GERTE to Eros, the divine spark(where the typical germanic -te is replaced by the standard greek -os). also Eer(honor). I don't know how easy a change from G to B can occur. Maybe Bertha is more connected to birth, as a different aspect; giving life, where Gerte is more the will/desire/love/aspiration aspect of the spark. Bete as it could be connected to 'beten, bitten'(to pray, ask)is also an expression of aspiration, hope.

[ott]

As it is used for the mothers of mankind, they may have been named after Wralda's desire to 'create' the human species

(since they could not have been the desire of male men, not yet in existence)

[Kraftr]

Someone could do a word study to see if these varieties are really synonymous, or if there is a difference in use. Note that Dutch and German (the more obvious descendants of Fryas) now use the -heid/-heit varieties, whereas English kept -dom (though also accepting ugly foreign words like liberty and prudence).

Just from my linguistic feelings about these word-endings; -DOM seems to portray a domain, a realm where this dominates, and -HEID seems to be more the essential property of the subject to which it is attached.

[Kraftr]

Someone could do a word study to see if these varieties are really synonymous, or if there is a difference in use. Note that Dutch and German (the more obvious descendants of Fryas) now use the -heid/-heit varieties, whereas English kept -dom (though also accepting ugly foreign words like liberty and prudence).

from online etymology dictionaire;

hade (n.)

"person; state, condition," Old English had "person, individual, character, individuality; condition, state, nature; sex, race, family, tribe;" see -hood. Obsolete after 14c. Cognate with Old Saxon hed "condition, rank, Old Norse heiðr "honor, dignity," Old High German heit, Gothic haidus "way, manner."

-hood

word-forming element meaning "state or condition of being," from Old English -had "condition, quality, position" (as in cildhad "childhood," preosthad "priesthood," werhad "manhood"), cognate with German -heit/-keit, Dutch -heid, Old Frisian and Old Saxon -hed, all from Proto-Germanic *haidus "manner, quality," literally "bright appearance," from PIE (s)kai- (1) "bright, shining" (Cognates: Sanskrit ketu "brightness, appearance"). Originally a free-standing word (see hade); in Modern English it survives only in this suffix.

-dom

abstract suffix of state, from Old English dom "statute, judgment" (see doom (n.)). Originally an independent word, but already active as a suffix in Old English (as in freodom, wisdom). Cognate with German -tum (Old High German tuom). "Jurisdiction," hence "province, state, condition, quality."


doom (n.)

Middle English doome, from Old English dom "a law, statute, decree; administration of justice, judgment; justice, equity, righteousness," from Proto-Germanic *domaz (source also of Old Saxon and Old Frisian dom, Old Norse domr, Old High German tuom "judgment, decree," Gothic doms "discernment, distinction"), perhaps from PIE root *dhe- "to set, place, put, do" (source also of Sanskrit dhaman- "law," Greek themis "law," Lithuanian domė "attention").

Originally in a neutral sense but sometimes also "a decision determining fate or fortune, irrevocable destiny." A book of laws in Old English was a dombec. Modern adverse sense of "fate, ruin, destruction" begins early 14c. and is general after c. 1600, from doomsday and the finality of the Christian Judgment. Crack of doom is the last trump, the signal for the dissolution of all things.




I suspect it may be related to dome, and that DOM, DOOM(germanic/Goth) may be the unrecognised root to DOMUS(latin);
to make the link between 'jurisdiction"and 'household' is not strange.

dome (n.)

"a round, vaulted roof, a hemispherical covering of a building," 1650s, from French dome "a town-house; a dome, a cupola" (16c.), from Provençal doma, from Greek dōma "a house, housetop" (especially in reference to a style of roof from the east), related to domos "house," from PIE root *dem- "house, household."

In the Middle Ages, German dom and Italian duomo were used for "cathedral" (on the notion of "God's house"), so English began to use this word in the sense "cupola," a dome at the intersection of the nave and the transept, or over the sanctuary, being a characteristic architectural feature of Italian cathedrals.

The word was used in U.S. also with reference to round summits of mountains, roofs of railroad cars, etc. The etymological sense "a building, a house," especially a stately one, was borrowed earlier in English (1510s) but mostly was restricted to poetry.


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*dem-

Proto-Indo-European root meaning "house, household." It represents the usual Indo-European word for "house" (Italian, Spanish casa are from Latin casa "cottage, hut;" Germanic *hus is of obscure origin).

It forms all or part of: Anno Domini; belladonna; condominium; dame; damsel; dan "title of address to members of religious orders;" danger; dangerous; demesne; despot; Dom Perignon; domain; dome; domestic; domesticate; domicile; dominate; domination; dominion; domino; don (n.) "Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese title of respect;" Donna; dungeon; ma'am; madam; madame; mademoiselle; madonna; major-domo; predominant; predominate; timber; toft.

It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit damah "house;" Avestan demana- "house;" Greek domos "house," despotēs "master, lord;" Latin domus "house," dominus "master of a household;" Armenian tanu-ter "house-lord;" Old Church Slavonic domu, Russian dom "house;" Lithuanian dimstis "enclosed court, property;" Old Norse topt "homestead."

[Kraftr]

A Nabatean figurine of godesses that resembles the Beten.
The Nabateans were influenced by Greece, and this seems greek-inspired, although it lines up with Middle Eastern Goedesses, and in some ways it reminds of Indian sculpture(hand/body/face ratios, type of antipose, like an impression of Greek art by an(imported?) Indian sculptor?)

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"The goddess Al-Lat (center), flanked by Manat and al-Uzza. Photo by Osama Shukir Muhammed Amin.
One of a trio of Goddesses with Al-Lat and Manat, Al-Uzza was the supreme mother goddess, considered by some to be the Nabataean equivalent of Aphrodite. Like Ishtar, she is the Goddess of the morning and the evening star, and like Asherah she was associated with lions. The Goddess standing on a lion is a theme found at an ancient Judahite shrine where, it was recently discovered, frankincense and cannabis were burned at its altars''(link to the article I got this from)
''The Nabateans (300 BCE to 106 CE) were Arabian nomads from the Negev Desert who "amassed their wealth first as traders on the Incense Routes which wound from Qataban (modern-day Yemen) through neighboring Saba (a powerful trade hub) and on toward Gaza on the Mediterranean Sea."
Also from this article'; " Much of the Nabatean kingdom was looted following invasions"- I'm not sure about this being true, like they were defeated. I think I saw something sometime ago on how that they instead drove the Anatolians out and even settled in Rome?

I also see a death-themed echo of this trinity in the three crosses on Golgotha, where one of the mocking thieves recognises Logos, the savior.
It makes me think of the male/female inversion that happened, and how the male/female inversion of 'the Savior Kore and the Mother Demeter' to male 'Father and Son' is a tool for enslavement; it opens up submission by demanding morality being a male endeavour, and opening up immorality from women. The Cybele Godess-cult was perverted by men castrating themselves and 'becoming women' and 'priestesses' of Cybele. Ashera priestesses(and Gujarat,India) were using sexual practise. Removing morality as a care from women blows the foundation to society away. Lacking honored maidens and mothers makes 'the longhouse' (a term nowadays used for smothering female consensus moralising') to a common denominator slaugther of confusion and frustrations. Men are better suited for a 'no-rules' warrior tactics chaotic world. The women should be engaged to achieve and maintain general wisdom(conquoring instincts, being fair, loving, inspire and support).
Women are the home, the men the perimeter. At least this is my opinion.

Interesting that these three female aspects translated in the negative are the main toxic feminine traits; the eternal daughter, the femme fatale and the devouring mother. Added to that in this video was womanpolitics, a good point. It is part of the story even. (She also references Sleeping Beauty and Persephone!).