Anybody else bothered by the very Christian type of language and philosophies within the OLB? A whole lot of talk about false gods, idolatry, idol-worshippers, etc, etc.
Is there any Pre-Christian religion or spirituality that constantly negates other Gods and deities like this? Suspicious if you ask me.
Too close to Christianity?
Re: Too close to Christianity?
Christianity borrowed from older traditions.
The Fryas worldview may well have been one of them.
So it's rather the other way around:
There are some Fryas kind of terms and ideas within the Bible.
The Fryas worldview may well have been one of them.
So it's rather the other way around:
There are some Fryas kind of terms and ideas within the Bible.
Re: Too close to Christianity?
One side of this question is how much the AD 800s to 1200s Frisian closet-heathens were influenced by the surrounding cultures, which had been Briton-Christian, Arionism-Christian and Roman-Christian for quite some time at that date. If we assume such influence possible, as is assumed for the nearby c. AD 1000s to 1400s Norse saga texts, then such themes can be present in Oera Linda book.
The Quran is assumed to be written in the 600s, after early post-Muhammad collecting of various versions and destruction of most of them as non-canonical versions. The Quran we have spends a lot of ink and pages arguing against materialistic atheists and their 600s Arabian peninsula arguments for passing one human life. This tells us directly such ideas are not a modern post-renaissance idea, but were fully present already back then.
Roman emperors like Heliogabalus practised proto-Islam, down to pseudo-Mecca black rock, plus modern day transgenderism already in AD 200s. The Romans fought "Musulamii" on northern Africa in AD 10s to 40s. Anyone familiar with Islam would instantly be alarmed at this being too close to Islam, but 500+ years too early.
I have attached a short piece from Alberuni's The Chronology of Ancient Nations, to illustrate how the likes of modern-day LBGT terrorism existed already back in old days.
Likewise, I have been collecting instances and references to early science theories that are the exact same (the model for) "modern" scientific theories: evolution from apes, round planet earth with same size, travelling cosmos and so on. Again all of these sound very close to modern day theories. To my eyes they betray that what is taught as modern is nothing but ancient re-presented falsely as new.
Therefore, I'm not amazed at seemingly modern-ish notions in Oera Linda book.
The Quran is assumed to be written in the 600s, after early post-Muhammad collecting of various versions and destruction of most of them as non-canonical versions. The Quran we have spends a lot of ink and pages arguing against materialistic atheists and their 600s Arabian peninsula arguments for passing one human life. This tells us directly such ideas are not a modern post-renaissance idea, but were fully present already back then.
Roman emperors like Heliogabalus practised proto-Islam, down to pseudo-Mecca black rock, plus modern day transgenderism already in AD 200s. The Romans fought "Musulamii" on northern Africa in AD 10s to 40s. Anyone familiar with Islam would instantly be alarmed at this being too close to Islam, but 500+ years too early.
I have attached a short piece from Alberuni's The Chronology of Ancient Nations, to illustrate how the likes of modern-day LBGT terrorism existed already back in old days.
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Re: Too close to Christianity?
Interesting, yeah perhaps they did copy it from the OLB.
Re: Too close to Christianity?
The Goddess(sometimes called fertilitycult) relating to providence/nature/earth and female trinity are old concepts, and many other cultural icons were derived from them(like in Christianity or folklore) The Sybilene Books and Rites of Ceres(Demeter/Persephone) were foundational to Rome. Coming from Greece, the teaching of the Virgins were/are kept secret by the Vatican. They likely kept their status however, indoors. A clever classically educated writer could have known all this and fantasise the OL world I suppose, but at least all these similarities and what they reveil show something fitting and proven very important ritually and legally from the prechristian world into the Christian(Catholic) founding. Just not known to stem from here, with this story.
So far I have focussed on the female trinity, because it would show the Fryareligion to be embedded in European/Germanic culture. In my view the oldest tekst on how the Adela followers came to be describes their ideological/faith choices within that world and corresponds with souvernty Godess lores we know from other tribes; it describes the legitimacy/foundation of their culture from legal/heroic/faithbased lore. In Greece we see Aprodite, Hera and Athena persuading Paris to chose one of them, as a start of a war. There's the Beten or Matronen in Germany. It also relates to Pathos, Ethos and Logos. The fact that the godess and her trinity pervades all these superficially diverse traditions shows the Godess mysteries to be more primal- or a higher understanding; The maiden/mother/godess concept would envellop all these themes as subgroups in a ven diagram. The story differs where it decribes political realities, making it more meta. I believe the concept to predate these happenings, because similar beliefs are seen in older divergent branches of indoeuropeans like Brahma/Vishnoe/Shiva trinity.
OL roughly does line up with roman historians and known history, but it also gives an interesting, enlightening point of view on history.And a people that except for golden jewelery looked poor to a Roman; people lived in wooden houses, with animals(for warmth), no real palaces(no royal class or poweraestetics), women in high regard, -but still they had laws, food, boats, forts, swords, organisation and relative peace.
So, the existence of the Adela followers (whether any of their stories are completely correct historically) is totally possible, the surprise if it's true is just that these intelligent concepts were important European wide, and most importantly; there was a civilised orginization and tradition, writing and brick building in the germanic realm. Simultaneous or even before the middle and far east, NW-Europe possibly cradled the root for the Meditereanean cultures that later conquered them. But their principles are still today conceptually the highest values of civilisation. Surviving better than any temple did. And there are easily understandable reasons that would have been swept under the carpet.
So far I have focussed on the female trinity, because it would show the Fryareligion to be embedded in European/Germanic culture. In my view the oldest tekst on how the Adela followers came to be describes their ideological/faith choices within that world and corresponds with souvernty Godess lores we know from other tribes; it describes the legitimacy/foundation of their culture from legal/heroic/faithbased lore. In Greece we see Aprodite, Hera and Athena persuading Paris to chose one of them, as a start of a war. There's the Beten or Matronen in Germany. It also relates to Pathos, Ethos and Logos. The fact that the godess and her trinity pervades all these superficially diverse traditions shows the Godess mysteries to be more primal- or a higher understanding; The maiden/mother/godess concept would envellop all these themes as subgroups in a ven diagram. The story differs where it decribes political realities, making it more meta. I believe the concept to predate these happenings, because similar beliefs are seen in older divergent branches of indoeuropeans like Brahma/Vishnoe/Shiva trinity.
OL roughly does line up with roman historians and known history, but it also gives an interesting, enlightening point of view on history.And a people that except for golden jewelery looked poor to a Roman; people lived in wooden houses, with animals(for warmth), no real palaces(no royal class or poweraestetics), women in high regard, -but still they had laws, food, boats, forts, swords, organisation and relative peace.
So, the existence of the Adela followers (whether any of their stories are completely correct historically) is totally possible, the surprise if it's true is just that these intelligent concepts were important European wide, and most importantly; there was a civilised orginization and tradition, writing and brick building in the germanic realm. Simultaneous or even before the middle and far east, NW-Europe possibly cradled the root for the Meditereanean cultures that later conquered them. But their principles are still today conceptually the highest values of civilisation. Surviving better than any temple did. And there are easily understandable reasons that would have been swept under the carpet.