Gnosticism in Frya Religion

both within OL texts as in relation to other traditions
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Er Aldaric
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Gnosticism in Frya Religion

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It is a shame the Oera Linda book is so unknown. It has in it spiritual wisdom that is waiting to be discussed seriously and without biases superimposed onto the text to retroactively justify their established beliefs. Not particularly on this forum, but elsewhere I see discussions of the codex that are entirely misguided. I have seen people use the book in conjunction with 'White Israelite' beliefs, Flat earth (Kat the Fryan), Tartarian Mudflood, and even talk about the book while discussing their worship of the norse gods (Showing that they either have a fundamental misunderstanding or they simply did not read the book). Not to knock on his character, I truly appreciate him, but It was brought up elsewhere that even Asha Logos seems to not entirely understand the contents. The codex is begging for experts to dissect each and every line and understand its spiritual truth, and delve more into the esoteric views of our ancestors. I think for many this point is obvious, however I feel as though it needs to be put into words, that being Frya spirituality is gnostic.

There are two points I will bring up that justify this:
1. The world was wrought forth by Kroder, who is a demiurgic entity.
2. Frya’s Tex is in essence a manual on achieving gnosis.

First point, the material being a result of the demiurge. Wralda is the supreme being, however the world we live in was created by Kroder (Time). From Wralda's spirit comes the forms, potential, and energy the physical world draws upon.
“This is our primal history:
Wralda, who is wholly good and eternal, created the potential. From this came time, and time wrought all things; even the very Earth herself. -2b Primal History”
As we see Kroder/Time is a byproduct of creation itself. The creation story in the OL lends to the idea of evolution, as life sprung from Jrtha and the passage of time. Life of course only being able to exist and operate thanks to the 'feeding' energy of Wralda's spirit.

When first reading the OL Kroder may seem insignificant due to his name being relegated to a few lines, however his importance cosmologically and historically cannot be overstated. At some point it became common in Finda cultures to begin to worship Kroder as their chief god. Perhaps this was due to a weakening or disconnect with Wralda's spirit, they could only see the material and began to worship it, lacking the bigger picture. Kroder became the ancient gods Krodo, Chronos, Crom Cruach, Saturn, Shamash, etc. Those familiar with gnosticism of any strain will recognize the connection between the god Saturn and the demiurge.

Although worship of Kroder is false and has introduced so many evils into the world, I am not positing that Kroder as an entity is evil, instead cultures have projected ideas onto it - creating an image that doesn't exist in reality. Kroder is time, a force of nature. However we do know from lived experience that the world is full of suffering. Cultures that worship the demiurge cannot wrap their heads around 'the Problem of Evil' to this day, however our Nyhellenia was able to solve this question succinctly in the second millennium bc.
“No,” said Minerva. “But I do not know any gods who do evil. Therefore, I cannot entreat them to become better. I know only one ‘God’ — that is Wralda’s spirit. And because ‘God’ means ‘good’, he also does no evil.”[3]
“Where, then, does evil come from?” the priests asked.
“All of the evil comes from yourselves and from the stupidity of the people who walk willingly into your trap.”
“If, then, your supreme being is so very good, why does he not prevent evil?” the priests asked.
Hellenia answered: “Frya has put us [036] on the path, and the Bearer — that is time — must do the rest. For all calamities, counsel and help can be found. But Wralda wants us to search for them ourselves, in order that we should become strong and wise. If we refuse, he permits our fate to unravel,[4] so that we should experience the results of wise and foolish deeds.” - 4f 'Minerva'
This is gnostic doctrine in a quote. The world is cruel, and ruled by time. Fate is the causality of time. To remedy this, we must search within ourselves, becoming strong and wise. How do we do this?

Point two, Frya's Tex as a manual for gnosis. It lets us know when it is appropriate to turn to Wralda and when we must help ourselves, how slavery destroys any chance of gnosis, and why we cannot mix blood. Frya's blood is imbued with Wralda's spirit, meaning that descendants of Frya are more inclined to reach gnosis.
Wralda deserves our eternal gratitude for imbuing our ancestors so deeply with his spirit. -06, Yule, Script, Numbers
Hail to all children of Frya who love that which is good![2] Through them, bliss shall come to Earth. - 13 Primal Teachings
Frya's warning is not only to prevent foreign customs from being adopted, but also to cultivate a gnostic civilization.

Bringing the previous discussion of the afterlife into this post, we've established there is a system of reincarnation and periods between lives however. It is implied through the line,
"In the end, they shall see me again. But only those can I deem free who are slave neither to another nor to their own passions."
that those who achieve gnosis earn a spot with Frya and her maidens, potentially on the 'Watch-star' as a guiding spirit of the folk. There is an ancient Germanic idea of reincarnating within your lineage, which I think comes from this. Mixing would mean in your next life, you would have even less of a chance of gnosis, or perhaps even sever your ability to reincarnate to some degree. (This is not to say gnosis is exclusive to Fryas, see: Yesus/Jessos)

This is why also it is so important we throw out Christianity. As of now nearly the entire world worships the demiurge. They worship a god who demands slavery, sacrifice, submission, and subjugation. This system of slave morality has cut off so many from achieving gnosis. Christians believe the great evil in our world today stems from satan and those who worship him. In reality those attempting to reset the world, remake it in their image, and destroy the light of Frya worship the same god they do -Saturn. A lot more can be said on this topic alone, however I think this is a good stopping point and opens up this discussion.

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Chronos as depicted in Mithraism
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Re: Gnosticism in Frya Religion

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I agree that most popularisers of the OLB do not understand it. My introduction on this forum talks about, though I haven't made a post about it yet.
The Demiurge does seem to be Tamfana the Krodor/Carrier, though I don't know if Gnosis is the same as being a child of Frya. I would love to hear more though.
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I see gnosis as the patterns of spirituality; geometry, storyline, language etc to extract meaning from, both honestly and deceptively.
I agree with the concepts you recognize. And I see more, the 7, water, fire, the yol, the letters. The word gnosis however is tainted and can confuse, because it is also used by exactly what the mothers rejected; the false religionpitch of the Magi that include hidden trap dogmas, and purposefull and clever obfuscations to eat at the core of our knowing.
Lately I feel this is the thing that is still alive in Dutch people; a way to be, not progressive or conservative but very comfortable with truth and reality, and a certain unassuming sober nobility underlying. Kind of like 'salt of the earth', honest, that tells of a deep rooted confidence and fellowship that emerged from sustained peacefull living, and even a peacefull past before that.
We know gnosis today more as the theory of patterns used and toyed with by The Magi that resulted in all the different reinvented remixed gods, leading away, occulting, dumbing down with each new but familiar reiteration fad, and establishing mystery-initiation cults for people 'in the know'. Making communal banquets into bacchanals, teachings into idols and meaningless rituals, rituals into mysticism and priest-dependance, to make people followers, out of touch with 'gods heil'.
Still to me esotheric knowledge is interesting, you just have to see it less woo-woo like, and how it can be used deceptively. This is why to me the story of OLM is already great and doesn't need to even be historical, because it gave me this clarity of a hunch I had already. And why it just feels it must be true.Its pure to me. True to a certain soul.
If it's not true, at least it speaks to this feeling something good dissapeared or was fought(which definitely happened), in a way that can only be applauded and enjoyed.
So Frya (IMO) is not gnostic, more practical, rational, and almost atheist philosophical, but it has patterns that can be explored gnostically, as I have done in drawings and thinking. The culture probably included astrology, auspicious days, objects and places, rituals with fire and waterpots,choreography and reverence, a study of nature, plants, building, economy, and a culture with folkish frau holle/pixy/seamonster/hunter/traveler/ghost/love stories. At the moment I'm watching a series on Etruscans for clues, and it feels warm. Free agent women, a banquet afterlife,(is the last supper from there?). They spoke of themselves as 'Razna', that can probably be translated to 'people' (sounds close to'race'but that is naughty)and intertribal marriage would exlude one from certain positions. Letters seem to be a mix between yul and greek/phoenician and even look runelike to me sometimes, also because they write on the sides of pictures. Also they believed women to be the perfect incarnation, and sometimes a reincarnation of a man, like the (black) people on this island, guinee bissau, who have a matriarchy, and ceremonial skirts that look to me like Kalash'skirts and the bronze age german girl's skirt.
since Heraclites already talked about the everchanging, I find it plausable that cultural change could happen by intellectual temptation, I myself find it very interesting to find similarities and other patterns, and shape a 'new' story to truth, shaping culture. My counterparts in earlier times would have that same fascination, while tribes were mixing, and though society was slowly taken over in shadowy or brutal other ways, it changed also in this 'honest' way. Watering down more and more of the old teachings. It is not unnatural to find new ways and perspectives and maintaining old truth in them.
In my definition of truth, seperate from 'essence' the 'being' and 'entity' are the changing parts.
How about this gnostic concept; 'Entity'(the things that are) is Wralda, 'being' is Kroder, 'essence' is Frya(love).
It's why I believe much is preserved and rediscoverable or enriched in Christianity, initiationcults, folklore, and some philosophy.
But having OLM as a referencepoint to my own roots as a Dutchman has given me a tall glass of sceptical or 'freeing' new perspective on all that knowledge. Because I was repulsed by the darkness of esoteric woo-woo, before finding this sober beauty.
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The Demiurge does seem to be Tamfana the Krodor/Carrier, though I don't know if Gnosis is the same as being a child of Frya. I would love to hear more though.
T. Angfan is the potential which spawned time / Kroder. I think that T. Anfang itself is similar to the platonic world of forms, and I assume Tamfana would've been 'temples' for the Fryas where they could contemplate creation and Aewa. It's interesting to me that Kroder was created almost as a byproduct of potential.
The word gnosis however is tainted and can confuse, because it is also used by exactly what the mothers rejected; the false religionpitch of the Magi that include hidden trap dogmas, and purposefull and clever obfuscations to eat at the core of our knowing.
I don't think the word 'gnosis' is tainted - it's just is not a pure Fryas word, but neither are any of the words we are using right now. If the word is a problem is can interchanged with 'enlightenment' which carries the same meaning. I would say your issue is with the word and not with the idea that there is esoteric subtext. The OL contains in it a built-in anti-priesthood measures. The esoteric can be explored without having to worry about cults cropping up monopolizing information.
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