Burgh’s “just” firehouses?

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Helena
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Burgh’s “just” firehouses?

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Might Burgh’s “just” be firehouses/citadels?
Might the word burgh originally come from the word “berg”? Might this be because before there were firehouses, seapeople would navigate by fire’s lit on mountaintops (bergen)?

Check out the old firehouse of Dover. Might this qualify as a burgh according to the olb?

https://artsandculture.google.com/story ... 8KIg?hl=en
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‘Bergen’ is also saving from the sea, hiding,. ‘Borg’ is also insurance of safe/safehouse and on the coast of Schotland you find bourghs, towershaped it is speculated they signalled to sailors and eachother. This was probably done by other ancients as well , signalling from mounttop to mounttop seen over distances. To warn of danger etc. I first assumed the borgs would have been close to sea and be a lighthouse and watchtower too and signal storm, attack, distress etc
How it relates to mountains,, there could be something there. We call slight rises in the landscape berg already in these flatlands.
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Thank you!
I just realized it is called lighthouse and not firehouse :D . The Dutch word is vuurtoren literally translated that would be firetower.
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Helena wrote: 28 Aug 2023, 06:55 Might Burgh’s “just” be firehouses/citadels?
Might the word burgh originally come from the word “berg”? Might this be because before there were firehouses, seapeople would navigate by fire’s lit on mountaintops (bergen)?

Check out the old firehouse of Dover. Might this qualify as a burgh according to the olb?

https://artsandculture.google.com/story ... 8KIg?hl=en
I also wondered many times about the word,.
In case of what we call now the watchtowers/lighthouses, i think of the staircases in OLB.
The eternal flame could have been also in practical use as the main apparatus to signal light by mirrors (as is done till recently). To ships in the sea, but maybe also to other towers. Who transmit again, like tamtam or smoke clouds.

Berg/Burg(h) I associate more with the Dutch composite word "bewaar-hoog". First thing to do to save something is to bring it from the surface (above or below). In case of water, one talks about "op het droge brengen/houden". That is what Bergh/Burgh's do. They save it, to keep it high and dry (bewaren). Mostly in the height. Safe (imo) can be associated with "zweef". Taking it from the ground, floating, being detached from the ground. Hence safe/borg became general for secure (by the the meaning of free).

So imo lighthouses could have had combi-purpose of watchtower and burgh (beware of goods), in case of fortified walls.
But in general the burghs were used to store goods and people to protect.
I really think also the churches (Dutch kerk, maybe gaar-hoek) were first used as early warehouses.
The building where goods were protected/stored and sold (or exchanged) . Market place if you want.
Later on used for religiuos purposes when the city took the foreground to do business.
Hence the story of Jesus fending off merchants in his father's house, could have been the other way round.
The house of God did not became the merchants place, but the merchant's place became God's house.
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Following the application of "burghs" as possible early warehouses:

The Colosseum could have been in that sense a colossal burgh.
Not as much the gladiator arena as we have in our minds foremost.
For sure there could have been animation on the market.

But the whole set-up (with ringed compartments) gives the impression of little stables (stapel-plaats) that could be rent/used as pop-up store for time willing.
Centralised and easy accessable for customers in levels (depending the growing scale) (cfr some of our modern malls in the city).
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