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No source other than Oera Linda book has the following explanatory ability as to Celts.

1. Celts as allies of Phoenician Hannibal.
In OL narrative the Celts are the European (cultural) Phoenicians.

2. Celts doing human sacrifice and keeping the heads.
The Phoenicians were also famous for obsessing with ritualistic killings and burning of human victims (news source, see also the "wicker man").

3. Reports of Celtic kings having a ritualistic go with horse.
In immediate vicinity of Levantine Phoenicians, we have the Ugaritic story of Baal deity (worshipped also by Phoenicians) who had a go with a cow. So it was a case of king modelled on a god. Irish report here and here, Baal story here.

4. Why Celts are always in European south and the similarity of names "Gaul/Gallia" and "Galli" priests.
Celts (Gallians) are cultural off-shoots of Phoenician culture that produced separately also the Levantine Galli cult.

5. Why did Romans hate the Gauls and especially the Druids of Anglesey so much - almost as much as the Phoenicians. They were the Phoenicians priest, but that of the geographically distant European branch.

6. How come northern branch of Celts are seemingly pale white Nordics, yet are associated with Mediterranean.
Personally this is the largest pointer to me; what indeed is the native 'Celtic culture' that is alleged to have been that of Mediterranean Portugese, Spaniards, North Italians et cetera, yet also that of Nordic racial type Irish, Scots and (south) Germans? By all geographical and racial DNA pointers the northern continental Celts ought to be culturally just the exact same thing as their neighbouring Germanic cultures with no sea or mountain ranges in between - yet they aren't. Nothing makes sense here in the official explanation, but the difference in customs, language and the Mediterranean associations are all explained easily by the OL account.

7. Why did the northern Celts have so lacking relations with their immediate Germanic neighbours,
Just look at the Britons vs. Anglo-Saxons story of England. A deep cultural division, as detailed at length in OL narrative, goes a long way to explain why the later Romans did not have a grand Celto-Germanic alliance to battle with when entering first time militarily the Celto-Germanic northern direction.

Indeed, I eschew the term "Celt" due to its polysemy and the resulting confusion it engenders. The primary cause of this perplexity is the belief that Gaelic languages are indigenous to Europe, when in fact, they are the result of the Gola mixing with the local population. I have previously authored two posts on the Gola, which I will quote below in the event that they are pertinent to this discussion.

Coco wrote: ↑11 Sep 2024, 16:55 The hypothesis that the Irish are the Hittites or another people from the Middle East is substantiated by the existence of a historical area in Anatolia called Galatia, which suggests the presence of the Gola, who are often erroneously identified as the Hittites who inhabited the same region. Another salient point is that the Gaelic languages (Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Brittonic) are, in fact, Semitic, a point that Theo Venneman and Paul of Langfocus have previously discussed. The OLB expounds on how the Gola seized control of the "outer lands" (France, Spain) and the British Isles. It is hypothesized that the Gola introduced the Gaelic languages to these regions, which have persisted in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany, and to a lesser extent Galicia (see: Gallaeci) and Portugal, whose name derives from "Portus Gallaeci." The Gola's dominion over Kelta's land led to its designation as Gallia (Gaul) by the Romans.

The limited prevalence of Gaelic languages in present-day Britain, France, and Spain can be attributed to the historical interactions with the Fryas and Romans, who outnumbered or competed with the Gola, thereby limiting the spread of the language to less populated regions such as Ireland and Scotland. Additionally, the notable similarity in the names Gola, Galatia, Gallia, Galicia, Gallaeci, Gallic, and Gaelic is not a mere coincidence. This observation aligns with the proposed theory. Another noteworthy observation is that the city of Arles, located in close proximity to Marseille (likely associated with Missellia in the OLB), was referred to by certain Roman authors as Gallulus, meaning "little Gaul." The OLB elucidates how Missellia served as a foothold for the Tyrians and Gola.

Coco wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 15:56 Contrary to the commonly taught narrative, it is unlikely that Frisians, Saxons, Angles, and Jutes collectively sailed to Britain and conquered it from the ground up. Instead, my hypothesis is that since Britain was inhabited by banished Fryas (Brits) and an indeterminate admixture of Romans and Gola, the emerging kingdoms in Britain were constituted by groups of these Brits who seized power in the power vacuum left behind by the Romans upon their withdrawal. Consequently, the offspring of the banished Angles, who congregated in East Anglia, which bears resemblance to Angeln (possibly explaining their decision to settle there from antiquity) established the Anglish (or English) Kingdom. In a similar manner, the progeny of the banished Saxons established their Saxon Kingdom (Wessex) to the south of the Angles in Britain, mirroring the geographical distribution of Saxons and Angles in Europe. However, the phantom years in the Scaligerian timeline, coupled with the prevalent notion that Gaelic-speaking peoples are indigenous to the British Isles, have compelled historians to devise the concept of the Dark Ages and the invasion theory in an attempt to comprehend Britain's history.

As far I understand it, according to the OLB, the Celts are the followers of Kelta, or did I miss something? And I thought Kelta was Fryan? So as I see it, Kelta got corrupted while engaging with the Magi and the Galli, and for sure over time they all became a mix of Fryans and Sidonians.

But the Phoenicians (Tyrians and Sidonians mostly) only really got to the main stage of world events, after mixing with the folks that founded Tyre with Neef Tunis, isn't it? And after they found their way to the Fryan tin mines of England.. The Phoenicians as the Fryans bastard race, I like that (better than the opposite).

I know several Flemish people that look quite 'canaanite' to me, but they swear to be baptised and all. I guess I understand it better, since I know where the Gauls, Celts (and Franks?) came from.

And my country of residence, Portugal, seems to be proud of their Sidonian roots (Port of the Galli).

I think contributing to the southern look was that in Spain and France probably Portugal, there were influxes of Alans and Visigoths, both Iranian from the far steppe, who were probably also more eastern looking, black hair for instance. I imagine a Russel Brand type, that is I believe meant by 'swarthy'. But also Suebi and Vandals who are more Gothic/Germanic I believe, who allied with Alans at times. Vandals mingled with Phoenicians in Africa(and Levant?), and Normans/Scandinavians have settled areas in these lands too, and there were tribes that have lived there from the stoneage, genetically comparable with Sardinians. And throughout the Celtic areas there were old tribes. The influence of Druids is a different one to the Phoenician or the Iranic/Scythian/Slavic/Jewish influxes, although there may be some connection or similarity, all being from the east.
Minoans were Eastern too(around Persia).
Possibly the Pharisees were thus named because they were Farsi.

Where are all the Mediterranean old Germanic peoples? In southern France, what magical barrier stopped the Germanic nations of central and western Europe entering there in 1500 BC, in 2000 BC, in 3000 BC..? Celtic solutions a la Gallia transalpina, as provided by newer history, are a weak subtitute here for the older histories of Oera Linda book. Plus, Oera Linda book is thematically more with line with the Oium story of Goths and their stories of Gothic-Egyptian wars.

Regions of Portugal and Spain region may be inhabited by natives of that European corner, especially so in milleniums into BC era. It does make sense that various peoples, like the ones listed in The Book of Invasions, referred briefly also in OL two segments, would have ventured therein. Phoenicians may have had very early on a harbour city or colony there, in lines of their connection to British tin mines, but that doesn't make the whole Portugese-Spanish region a Phoenician land.

The toponyms Oium (in Ukraine), Gothiscandza (in Poland? cf. Gdańsk), and Scandza (Scandinavia) lend credence to the theory that the Goths emigrated from Scandinavia, traversed Eastern Europe, incorporated Slavic grammatical characteristics (the absence of articles and highly inflected verbs, akin to those in Latin), migrated to Greece, and ultimately became the Trojans. The latter subsequently transitioned to the Roman identity following their defeat in the Trojan War and subsequent migration to Italy, where they established Rome.

The creation of a thread akin to the present one, yet focused on the resolution of the so-called "Roman/Trojan/Gothic question," is a potential avenue for future exploration. The OLB offers several salient clues that may prove instrumental in this endeavor.

What is the nature of the Gothic-Egyptian wars? A cursory investigation did not yield any results. Might these be mentioned in Jordanes' Getica?

Coco wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 11:15The creation of a thread akin to the present one, yet focused on the resolution of the so-called "Roman/Trojan/Gothic question," is a potential avenue for future exploration. The OLB offers several salient clues that may prove instrumental in this endeavor.

Yes, please make!

Coco wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 11:15What is the nature of the Gothic-Egyptian wars? A cursory investigation did not yield any results. Might these be mentioned in Jordanes' Getica?

Correct. See here. Note that Getica puts all the Geats, Amazons etc under the Gothic banner - correctly in my opinion (atomisation is the opposite Roman view). And as noted here, Getica's root sources in turn seem to have used OL chronology and not the one explicit in the book.

Here is some interesting evidence that backs the claim the Gauls were from the sidon region. A picture that shows Iranian script. Which matches cuneiform found in Ireland.
"The Gola,[2] as the missionary priests of Sidon" - https://wiki.oeralinda.org/view/EN060.12_Gola

an artifact with cuneiform writing dating to 5000 years ago. - https://x.com/histories_arch/status/1856215360388640879

Historical author Ward Rutherford in his book on Celtic mythology cites 3rd century Greek writer Diogenes Laertius who, in turn cites lost works by Sotion of Alexander and Aristotle that “brackets the Druids with the Persian Magi, with what he calls the ‘Chaldeans’- in fact the Babylonic priesthood- and with an Indian sect whom he describes as the ‘Gymnosophists’”.

In “Mysteries of the Druids”, 19th century British historian W. Winwood Reade states:

“Those pupils of the Egyptian priests, the Phoenicians of Canaanites, who had taught the Israelites to sacrifice human beings, and to pass their children through the fire of Moloch, infused the same bloodthirsty precepts among the Druids. As the Indian wife was burnt on her husband’s pyre, so, on the corpses of the Celtic lords, were consumed their children, their slaves, and their horses.”

Another interesting passage from Reade states:

“There is, however, a tradition that at one period both in Gaul and Britain, the women were supreme, that they ruled the councils of state, that they led armies of war. That the Druids by degrees supplanted them and obtained the power for themselves.”

In Myths and Legends of the Celtic Race late 19th/early 20th century Irish author T.W. Rolleston states that “Caesar and Strabo agree that there was a very sharp division between the nobles and priestly or educated class on the one hand and the common people on the other, the latter being kept in strict subjection.”

Rolleston also states how 4th century B.C. Greek historian, Hecataeus of Abdera states how the Celts “had in them the making of a great and progressive nation; but the Druidic system-not on the side of its philosophy and science, but on that of its ecclesiastico-political organization- was their bane, and their submission to it was their fatal weakness.”

Many are familiar with the Roman writings talking about human sacrifice among the druids with the infamous “Wicker Man”, but even later archaeological evidence like the Lindow Man seem to point to a tradition of human sacrifice.

Even Celtic myth and folklore apparently refers to druids casting spells, turning people into animals or stones, or curse peoples’ crops. As far as I can tell, this romanticizing of the Druids that we see in a lot of Neopagan circles didn’t really happen until, well, the Romantic era- go figure.

If I was going to give a (very) rough sketch of the druids based conclusions I’ve drawn based on the authors and sources I cited above and others like L.A. Waddell, Julius Evola, Alexander Dugin, Herman Wirth, Miguel Serrano (specifically his dialogues with Wirth), the OLB, and other rather eclectic sources ranging from British Israelism/Christian Identity apologists to Jews and Hindus, that sketch would go something like this:

The druids/Gola were a segment of the priest caste of a nomadic, likely mixed-race people (of varying degrees) that descended, according to Wirth, from slaves (and probably merchants) and lived on the periphery of the ancient Gobi Desert civilization (which was likely a caste system set up by lost/rogue/exiled Aryans/Fryans), after it was destroyed. This people likely traveled what would later come to be known as the Silk Road, making their way to and through India, then Persia, then Babylon, then into the Levant and Egypt, as well as up into Anatolia (Turkey), picking up and leaving various ideas, influences and stories along the way. The Jewish scholar Flavius Josephus (37 – 100 AD) quotes from Clearchus’s fragment in his Contra Apionem [Against Apion], which has Aristotle say: “Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers."

It was in the Levant that the OLB describes the druids (and the Canaanites) coming into contact with the founders of Tyre/Phoenicia that were fleeing Northern Europe, and forming a sort of business alliance with them. Then, at least a portion of this druid priest caste traveled with the Phoenician merchants (who eventually outcompeted the struggling Fryas) up through the Mediterranean, into Britain and possibly beyond. This caste would become entrenched in the aftermath of the conflict between the Mothers Kalta and Minerva which was also described in the OLB, and would become the priestly overlords of the society of banished convicts and slaves that seems to have made up the founding stock of whom we know as the “Celts” and the “Gauls”.

As a side note, beyond the noticeable similarities between the Celtic chief god Bel and the Phoenician chief god Baal, there are many similarities between Hebrew and Gaelic, which are outlined here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAAmwtdP1bE

There is also evidence of this eastern migration in the traditional history of Ireland with the Milesians, who were the final race to settle in Ireland (as the history of Ireland is about one succession of people replacing another) after spending hundreds of years traveling the earth. This traditional history is mirrored somewhat in the “Chronicles of Eri”- a sort of “Irish OLB” that came about in the 19th century, which speaks of the origins of the Gaels as being among the Phoenicians who eventually migrated to Scythia and then came into the British Isles. The accounts claiming Scythian origins of the Celts are also quite numerous. Interestingly, this whole story parallels much of what is found in Christian Identity/British Israelism.

An “Israelite” origin of the druids also makes sense when we look at how quickly the Celts took to Christianity. Celtic scholar Peter Berresford Ellis in his book on the druids argues that the remaining druids that weren’t killed by their Roman enemies, became absorbed into Christianity in large part due to the similarities Christianity and the earlier druidic religion (i.e. Trinitarianism, etc.). Ironically, it was after the Romans left Britain that Christianity came, and it is known that the Celtic church was an altogether separate entity until the 5th century. It also seems quite plausible (and seems to be hinted at in the OLB) that prior to this, the druids, the Gauls and the Phoenicians/Carthaginians formed a sort of confederated opposition to Roman interests.

It is my hypothesis that the people from the Gobi Desert were the "Proto-Magyars," the ancestral group that migrated in various offshoots to India, Persia, and Eastern Europe after the 2194 BCE environmental disaster, also known as the 4.2 ka event. The OLB designates this region as Aldland (ch. 21.15), though "Aldland" was a generic term for the Old World prior to 2194 BCE. Consequently, the Magyars in the OLB shared distant affinities with the foreign priests that wielded considerable influence over the Indians (ch. 163.10). They were likely also distantly related to the Xiongnu, Mongols, Huns, and other groups. The Proto-Magyars, as discussed by Alewyn J. Raubenheimer in Chronicles From Pre-Celtic Europe, were priestly shamans, a trait that was shared by all their offshoots.