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Sunne vs. Sol

Posted: 17 Nov 2024, 15:32
by Coco
The following list contains direct ancestry.
  • Fryas: SVNNE, SON: "Sun"
    • Old Frisian: sunne, senne
      • Frisian: sinne
    • Old Saxon, Old High German: sunna
      • German: Sonne
    • Old English: sunne
      • English: sun
    • Old Norse: sunna
      • (No longer used)
    • Gothic: sunna, sunno
      • (No longer used)
The use of the term "sol" emerged at a certain point in time. This word is not attested in either Fryas or Old Frisian, suggesting that it is of foreign origin.
  • ?
    • Old Saxon, Old High German: sol
      • (No longer used)
    • Old English: sól
      • (No longer used)
    • Old Norse: sól
      • Danish, Norwegian, Swedish: sol; Icelandic: sól
    • Gothic: sauïl
      • Latin: sōl — Assuming Latin descends from Gothic
As is typical in the field, Wikipedia and other sources suggest that Proto-Indo-European mixed between L and N. However, given the lack of evidence for the existence of PIE, this theory is considered obsolete. Instead, my proposal is that the word was adopted from a language spoken by the Gola of the Oera Linda Book. Among these languages, Old Irish is well-attested (see: the Celtic question). The following example is provided:

súil: "eye." Compare with the variants sā́u̯el-, sāu̯ol-, suu̯él-, su̯el-, sūl-, which were used in compounds that refer to Sol or the Sun.

This term, or a similar one, is likely the etymological ancestor. The Egyptian mythological figure known as the Eye of Horus is associated with the Sun, and the Roman god Sol was equated with the Sun. This suggests the possibility that the Gola, or a people related to or influenced by them, introduced Sol (and various other idols) to Europe. The Finno-Magyars who invaded Scandinavia (ch. 50.19) engaged in the worship of idols, and Sól, also referred to as Sunna, is documented in Norse Mythology. A phonetic evolution of Fryas SON to SOL is improbable, as phonetic shifts occur across numerous words, whereas this is an isolated case.

In the Nordic languages, the terms "søndag," "söndag," and "sunnudag" persist in referring to Sunday, further suggesting a replacement of the original word for Sun by "Sol." The modern words would have been "sønne," "sönne," and "sunna," based on Fryas SVNNE and Old Norse "sunna."

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Re: Sunne vs. Sol

Posted: 17 Nov 2024, 20:19
by ott
SVNNE may have become SOL under influence of JOL, which is a symbol for Wralda, who can easily be associated to the sun.

Re: Sunne vs. Sol

Posted: 18 Nov 2024, 12:57
by ott
Note that spelling SON was also used, on page 46, line 1. (For consistency it was changed into SVNNE in the edited version.)

It is well possible that the (or some) Fryas also said SOL (associating it to JOL), but that this variety simply was not used in the manuscript.

Many words and spellings occur only once, which suggests that many more words and varieties existed.

Re: Sunne vs. Sol

Posted: 18 Nov 2024, 14:00
by Kraftr
Now that I've become aware of the linguistical concept of phonemes I wonder if we can assign a significance to these differences. So '-ol' could refer to something being round, like 'bol'. The S- would be the phoneme here having the identity of the sun. -on/-un maybe signify something too, maybe action, like being 'on' like a lamp, or present 'in' the sky. Or (male/female?)basic singular.
This could mean that the difference is maybe local, cultural and not caused by a different root language.