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Kraftr wrote: 25 Feb 2024, 13:11Without guidance I just have fun
Creating should be fun in the first place. I like what you said earlier about working with natural materials, at least in first instance.
is there a deadline, demands, format prescription etc if this or any artwork is to be used for the book?
A new print edition is not planned yet. I intend to start planning when Bruce is satisfied with the final edits. At the moment I try to keep focussed on the first draft of my new Dutch translation (and on a personal note, our 6th child was born last week, so that also offers pleasant distraction).

My idea was to design a whole new cover with something in the style of "Thet Freske Riim / Tractatus Alvini" (link) as an example: stylized, simple.

Elements:
* a Frya or general mother-figure (stylized but still radiationg beauty and perfect anatomical proportions: I am aware that this is a challenge)
* 2 lions (of old Greater-Frisian coat of arms and relating to the lion sitting at Frya's feet in Fryas was white text)
* 1 wheel
* a lamp or flame

It should be so clear that it could be (have been) used on a shield or flag.
I may change my mind about the book cover last minute as it must really feel good and I cannot predict that.
I work on intuition mostly, though have a long term overall strategy.
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well that is great to hear, congratulations on the newborn!
I'm really obsessed now so it is fun no matter if my art is used, and if designing/illustration would be off the table I would maybe try to be more leisurely about it, or make something more 'incorrect' from lore, but I wouldn't stop.

If it should go on a shield we are in heraldic territory, I've done something similar for armybatallions in the past. a lot is copy/paste style because the people normally doing them can't draw, and they stick to old and bad designs. Ive done quick sketches of possible layouts, Standing lions could be holding the wheel, or rampant lions could crawl up the sides outward. maybe the wheel and fire can mix.
It is hard to give a seated simplyfied woman a gorgeous body or face. I could of course make a more integrated design as I've done in schets 5 and 6. And I like sitting/laying lions so making a single picture with all in it is maybe the way to go.
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maybe its better to ask what to change about this
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This is great.
And if you have ways to further improve it or add varieties, please go ahead.
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Ik loof het!
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Majestetic and mature - yet neat. Well done!
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Cybele-Rhea is nice inspiration, but as Helgiteut pointed out, it would be best to draw something from scratch. The mother could have a Phrygian/Fryan cap (like in your sailor painting) instead of a mural crown, a staff (like Adela's 7 ft. staff) instead of a sceptre, and no tympanum/tambourine.

The 6th or 8th shield from your earlier post are good starting points, since the mother, wheel, flame and lions are all clearly visible in both; great job on the shields overall. I suggest drawing the lions' tongues as normal mammal tongues, not snake tongues, and to draw the lions lying down rather than sitting or “flying.”

I also suggest to stick with the curved shields from your earlier paintings; I find that looks better, makes it feel more flowing, less jagged. You could also experiment with a ring-shaped shield. I stumbled upon this shield (attached) with six panels resembling the spokes of the Wralda wheel, which I thought was an interesting idea. There are many possibilities.

Another idea: perhaps the mother could hold the Book of the Adela Followers, so in a sense the woman in the painting would be Adela herself holding the ancient knowledge preserved for future generations.
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a round war shield seems unpractical and it would be more of a heraldic shield like on the example book, could have been on a banner, tapestry or relief in the borg. Cybele has a staff too, not a scepter but I made it longer, to look discernable from the Yul, that I decorated with, from the middle; 'the root', belbeaker waterpot, star, firepot and 'current' decorative border. The book is appropriate I'd think, isn't it likely all mothers would have had books. of leather, parchment, metal, wood or cloth if they had writing?
Below, double exposure of different options, still unfinished. I removed the borg on her head, even though I believe Cybele was a borgmother, Sybyle cult (a branch of vestal(festa) virgins) named after her. The Phryian cap I forgot.
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I liked the simple, smaller wheel better in this composition. The more detailed one is creative but should stand by itself, I think.

The Phrygian cap, although depicted on women in some historical drawings, would not fit with the robe, imo. I'd think it's more a thing for men at sea.

The hand on the book looks anatomically off. I had no problem with the tambourine, but if it is replaced by a book, it could be in the same position, resting on the chair.

Lions sitting or lying down would not make much difference to me. It's the overall composition that would be decisive. The fire on the right is best of the three. This darker blue is indeed better.

In general, I think the more simple, the better. These elements are enough to associate with Frisia/Fryas: woman, 2 lions, wheel and flame/fire/lamp. No crowns or other adornments are needed.
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