centre place; Ashera

both within OL texts as in relation to other traditions
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centre place; Ashera

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interesting points;
baking of bread, the polecarving, weaving women all seen in Nordic religion.

making a God a national deamon; Henotheism. May have happened to Frya(but I believe actually OL preserved the oldest cosmology - see the work of Marija Gimbutas -predated by a Gaia concept perhaps).

The devellopement from mono- to polytheism back to mono.
I believe the exact same happened in Europe, only in my hypothesis both devellopments were under outside influence(maybe in Judea too) and also great tools for european rulers; first the druids/sjamans, to lose the root, then the Magi who built temples and claimed to be the middlemen to the gods, then to hand it over and be overtaken by a single truth Abrahamism, and Snorri and the curch in general got to depict Europeans as primitive. All were political overtakes, while psychologically oppressing the commoners with these mindtricks. The most important thing is what people thruly believe, you can have them by the balls by it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODfqmq-iABU
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I don't think we have to see it like we are under direct foreign rule since then, like a big conspiracytheory. Gothic nobility and scolars were involved, at least later in the church.(Magi princes/priests as predicted by Frana?) But I do suspect this is the story of association of western and eastern elites and thought-manipulation, and it can be postulated that this is an abandonment in steps of a ruling class away from the European peoples and their true nature, and the politics and religion/philosopy that would fit and organize from that nature, and that we were estranged spiritually as a result. Most philosophical work was influenced by coping with this cognitive distance and why all historical study is so focussed on the east. Easterners also are in strange territory and cut of from their root, Ashera(Per, Ishtar) fruitlessly searching in bible, Kabala and such, without this key of OL. People and their rulers reaching in the dark, even unaware of the dark arts that poisoned the well, but always finding fault in thoughtcrimes of others. I could be idealising, simplifying my story of the past, constructing a hidden devil, but I see it as supporting the concept, the leitmotiv most believeworthy and enlightening. Truth, or closing in on it in both a historical and spiritual way.
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I did not watch all of it (yet), but I saw this interesting passage at 1:52:28:

Cory T. asks: “How is it OK for Yahweh to divorce Asherah when he also considers it a moral issue?” Yahweh didn't divorce Asherah; Yahweh absorbed Asherah, so God encompasses both Yahweh and Asherah in terms of historical development. In terms of humans and divorce: This is coming out of Jesus' teachings — the historical Jesus most certainly, because we have multiple attestations on this: One of his kinds of teachings is to forbid divorce. This is probably because of how divorce was practiced at the time. There was perhaps easy divorce that allowed men in their community in rural Galilee to cease to support their wives and to have wives live essentially, then functionally, as widows with children who are not able to support them. Therefore women and children were being subjected to total poverty as a result of that. He's probably speaking out against a contemporary practice, but this is a reason why Christianity is not about the letter of the law, and it shouldn't be. Jesus is constantly also teaching that principles are what matter and that the spirit of it is what matters. He's rejecting legalistic interpretation of Jewish law, so the fact that Christians, in turn, start taking Jesus literally and make his statements into legalisms and cause all kinds of human misery by taking something that might have been appropriate in his context in 1st century CE Galilee and applying it in the 21st century — when the issues that we have around marriage and divorce are so different — I think that's missing the point of Christianity, so I'm going to give Yahweh a pass on that one. But I am going to criticise Christians for following teachings like that with excessive legalism and rigidity which causes some misery.
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Yeah biblical literalism. I think it is silly to compare gods and their relations to human marriage literally. They are spiritual concepts first, and a story to simply explain deep esoteric shifts in understanding. This is my main takeaway of this lecture; that Ashera and Baal were part of Jewish/Filistine/Phoenician/middle eastern spirituality and there was a lively culture around it, with some downsides probably like a weak state, that got destroyed by monotheism. But that this monotheism was actually a purposly denied rearangement of the old components(who did come from a more monotheist root, like Wralda/Freya). It explains the plural of 'Elohim'. There is so much in Jewish culture and Torah(and Cristian/Islamic) that is pagan, mystical, superstitious. And much unwarrented apodiction that comes along with it is considered anointed only by this monotheist watershed. Many (sometimes very twisted) sects and dogmas have come from this fundamental misguidedness that is of course hard to clear up, because it became the root for demonisers and pious alike. Needless to say, I prefer the undisturbed mothers, presocratics and Fryas type cosmology.

another point;
After the Bronze Age Collapse there is supposed to have been a dark age, and then the Assyrians arose. It was speculated in another YT video that these centuries were added to the timeline of antiquity, because there seems to be little remnants of activity in Greece during that time. Maybe the diagram at 1.10 of the lecture shows a clue to why these ages were fitted in; to add a fictitious past fitting the Torah. The OT seems anachronistic and the seapeoples are still unidentified. I speculate they were mercenaries for one of the empires or a pact that followed.

Is the Bronze Age Collapse Wrong? ~ Dr. David Rohl -short video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFxZHg74nHg
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