An investigation into the etymological origins of "aqua" reveals a prevalent sound change from Fryas to Latin, characterized by the substitution of -hw- → -qu-, exemplified by HWAT → *quat → quid. This phenomenon can be attributed to the anatomical location of the sounds H and K, which are produced in the back of the mouth. Consequently, the sound undergoes a migration to a nearby position, resulting in the earlier form "*ahwa," akin to Old Saxon "aha," which itself derives from Fryas É. It is plausible that the word underwent a process of elongation to convey emphasis. The Frya word was occasionally spelled Á, as evidenced by the name Á.DEL.A, which translates to "water dell" (water valley), bearing resemblance to another name, Vandal, which also signifies "water dell."
The etymology of quies (stem: quiet-), denoting calm or restfulness, can be obtained through the same backtracing process. For instance, another common sound change from Fryas to Latin is -d → -t, so we perform the inverse: quiet- → *hwied, which is analogous to Old Frisian hwilad, the past participle of hwila, denoting to stay or remain still. In Danish, hvile means to rest.
The etymology of equus is enigmatic. Its poor attestation in Germanic languages suggests that it is foreign. The Dutch word "ros," the German word "Roß," and the Danish word "Hors" all derive from the Fryas term "HORS/HROS." It is noteworthy that the German word "Pferd" shares a common etymology with the word "Fahrt," given that horses played a pivotal role in land travel until relatively recently.
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thanks Coco very enlightening about hwied/hvile and Adela. The theme water just comes up again and again in European traditions. I think this is why the presocratics had discussion on which of the elements the true essence of matter/reality is, air, earth, water or fire, because so much tradition was based on water.
Animals, and I believe people, stones etc were classified as being in essence mostly one of these (roman pagan/middle ages).
The logic and construction of words and names from other roots shows that germanic languages are old and have coherence. The admonishment to use proper fryaslanguage was related I believe to the desire to stay pure and true to this; the wordcombinations were logically correct, as opposed to Southern and Slavic/Celtic words, that added sounds for spoken language sakes and mixed with local speech. Aside from that it was a warning not to use incorrect, deceiving words, words that are unprecise and by which a retorical slight of hand by sophists was made possible .
I take the PIE with a grain of salt; I already encountered many words where it felt tangential. Bringing words back to a germanic understanding however is surprisingly enlightening, and a lot of time the PIE explanations do align with that. I believe PIE is a theoretical inbetween between Germanic, Sanskrit and Avestan, not Arabic.( I do have a limited bit of knowledge on Latin, Greek and Hebrew wich is more related to Arabic) PIE should be more Germanic rooted is my thought. It's clear general linguists are puzzled on the origin equis/equos too, it's why I speculate. I'll look for a semitic root then.
As an example of my independent thinking; the Wodanist who's Var video I linked has a vid on the god Svantevit, he brings it back to holy lord or something, my feeling is it might be 'selfknowledge'.
(Swa is said to be own/eigen; I looked up swastika, -tika is obviously -teken, so it might mean sovereinty?family? In India people told me it was just for good luck/blessing that they put swastikas on their trucks though)
-nte- may relate to the adjective of the verb doing, so I would suppose (knowledge of)being yourself or with yours?
Also, I was thinking lately about Ny-hellennia; could the hel part relate to light, as her teachings were new(ny) and clear(hel)? (Lennia from to lend/give)
I thought Vandal might have come from the Wendts, or Venti (Finda?) tribenames, but that wouldn't explain the dal part as you do. There may be a link between Venti, Veneti, Unetice etc. the 'founders' of the Slavic peoples. Vandals are said to be Gothic/Germanic, but could of course be changed/ruled by easterners, they seem allied with Alans sometimes, also Suebi.
Animals, and I believe people, stones etc were classified as being in essence mostly one of these (roman pagan/middle ages).
The logic and construction of words and names from other roots shows that germanic languages are old and have coherence. The admonishment to use proper fryaslanguage was related I believe to the desire to stay pure and true to this; the wordcombinations were logically correct, as opposed to Southern and Slavic/Celtic words, that added sounds for spoken language sakes and mixed with local speech. Aside from that it was a warning not to use incorrect, deceiving words, words that are unprecise and by which a retorical slight of hand by sophists was made possible .
I take the PIE with a grain of salt; I already encountered many words where it felt tangential. Bringing words back to a germanic understanding however is surprisingly enlightening, and a lot of time the PIE explanations do align with that. I believe PIE is a theoretical inbetween between Germanic, Sanskrit and Avestan, not Arabic.( I do have a limited bit of knowledge on Latin, Greek and Hebrew wich is more related to Arabic) PIE should be more Germanic rooted is my thought. It's clear general linguists are puzzled on the origin equis/equos too, it's why I speculate. I'll look for a semitic root then.
As an example of my independent thinking; the Wodanist who's Var video I linked has a vid on the god Svantevit, he brings it back to holy lord or something, my feeling is it might be 'selfknowledge'.
(Swa is said to be own/eigen; I looked up swastika, -tika is obviously -teken, so it might mean sovereinty?family? In India people told me it was just for good luck/blessing that they put swastikas on their trucks though)
-nte- may relate to the adjective of the verb doing, so I would suppose (knowledge of)being yourself or with yours?
Also, I was thinking lately about Ny-hellennia; could the hel part relate to light, as her teachings were new(ny) and clear(hel)? (Lennia from to lend/give)
I thought Vandal might have come from the Wendts, or Venti (Finda?) tribenames, but that wouldn't explain the dal part as you do. There may be a link between Venti, Veneti, Unetice etc. the 'founders' of the Slavic peoples. Vandals are said to be Gothic/Germanic, but could of course be changed/ruled by easterners, they seem allied with Alans sometimes, also Suebi.
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Just a note for now (may elaborate on it later):
I think Á may (generally) have been used for sweet water and É for salt (sea) water.
I think Á may (generally) have been used for sweet water and É for salt (sea) water.
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This is a satisfactory match for Adela's name, as "river valley" is more logical than "water valley." Additionally, Á would be congruent with Scandinavian "å" due to the presence of sweetwater in a river. There are locations in Scandinavia with the name "Aadal."
Kraftr, your assertion regarding Nyhellenja and WÉRHÉD > veritas is valid. I concur that the -tika in "swastika" is derived from -teken. The swas- element may have derived from the Old Frisian *SWES (Old Frisian "swes") signifying kinship. Thus, the term "swastika" translates to "symbol of kinship." Notably, *SWÉS gave rise to the word *SWESTER "sister," which is recorded in the OLB as SUSTER. Additionally, it gave rise to the term SWESTERNE, meaning "siblings" in Old Frisian. However, the OLB employs the term SIBBA, akin to the German word "Sippen."
Concerning the topic of Fryas WÉRHÉD, you are indeed correct in its association with Latin veritas. The stem verit- is but a few steps away from WÉRHÉD, underscoring its phonetic lineage. It is noteworthy that the Romans frequently dropped the H in their Latin, resulting in its silent representation in Italian and Spanish. The ending -as is grammatical, just as the Romans appended -us to many words; the Goths did the same, which supports the hypothesis that the Trojans, the predecessors of the Romans, ultimately stemmed from the Goths, who received their grammatical innovations from the Slavs. A notable illustration of this influence is observed in the highly inflected grammar and the absence of articles in Russian, a language that contains words such as "dom" and "tebe," bearing a striking resemblance to Latin "domus" (home) and "tibi" (to you), which are otherwise not observed in Germanic languages.
Kraftr, your assertion regarding Nyhellenja and WÉRHÉD > veritas is valid. I concur that the -tika in "swastika" is derived from -teken. The swas- element may have derived from the Old Frisian *SWES (Old Frisian "swes") signifying kinship. Thus, the term "swastika" translates to "symbol of kinship." Notably, *SWÉS gave rise to the word *SWESTER "sister," which is recorded in the OLB as SUSTER. Additionally, it gave rise to the term SWESTERNE, meaning "siblings" in Old Frisian. However, the OLB employs the term SIBBA, akin to the German word "Sippen."
Concerning the topic of Fryas WÉRHÉD, you are indeed correct in its association with Latin veritas. The stem verit- is but a few steps away from WÉRHÉD, underscoring its phonetic lineage. It is noteworthy that the Romans frequently dropped the H in their Latin, resulting in its silent representation in Italian and Spanish. The ending -as is grammatical, just as the Romans appended -us to many words; the Goths did the same, which supports the hypothesis that the Trojans, the predecessors of the Romans, ultimately stemmed from the Goths, who received their grammatical innovations from the Slavs. A notable illustration of this influence is observed in the highly inflected grammar and the absence of articles in Russian, a language that contains words such as "dom" and "tebe," bearing a striking resemblance to Latin "domus" (home) and "tibi" (to you), which are otherwise not observed in Germanic languages.
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Ah yes of course! In German there is geschwister which is (non-gendered) siblings.
Recently I saw a video that the Irish would have been the Hittites(possibly the Etruskans as well, as some settlers in Rome city area)Maybe interesting for your thesis.
Is there anything online like old Frisian dictionairy?
My own current thesis; recently I'm starting to think that the oldest book of OLM(Syrhed, Minerva and Rosemund) is the most mythological; maybe real events made to myth, or attached to cultural understandings/filosophy. The names combined with these descriptions(fast on water/land/ new and clear teachings)or the similarity to the nornen, beten and greek godesses supports this. So I think this part is also the most likely to maybe happening in another place, or being a local 'storyfied' version of an ancient myth.
Recently I saw a video that the Irish would have been the Hittites(possibly the Etruskans as well, as some settlers in Rome city area)Maybe interesting for your thesis.
Is there anything online like old Frisian dictionairy?
My own current thesis; recently I'm starting to think that the oldest book of OLM(Syrhed, Minerva and Rosemund) is the most mythological; maybe real events made to myth, or attached to cultural understandings/filosophy. The names combined with these descriptions(fast on water/land/ new and clear teachings)or the similarity to the nornen, beten and greek godesses supports this. So I think this part is also the most likely to maybe happening in another place, or being a local 'storyfied' version of an ancient myth.
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The hypothesis that the Irish are the Hittites or another people from the Middle East is substantiated by the existence of a historical area in Anatolia called Galatia, which suggests the presence of the Gola, who are often erroneously identified as the Hittites who inhabited the same region. Another salient point is that the Gaelic languages (Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Brittonic) are, in fact, Semitic, a point that Theo Venneman and Paul of Langfocus have previously discussed.The OLB expounds on how the Gola seized control of the "outer lands" (France, Spain) and the British Isles. It is hypothesized that the Gola introduced the Gaelic languages to these regions, which have persisted in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany, and to a lesser extent Galicia (see: Gallaeci) and Portugal, whose name derives from "Portus Gallaeci." The Gola's dominion over Kelta's land led to its designation as Gallia (Gaul) by the Romans.
The limited prevalence of Gaelic languages in present-day Britain, France, and Spain can be attributed to the historical interactions with the Fryas and Romans, who outnumbered or competed with the Gola, thereby limiting the spread of the language to less populated regions such as Ireland and Scotland. Additionally, the notable similarity in the names Gola, Galatia, Gallia, Galicia, Gallaeci, Gallic, and Gaelic is not a mere coincidence. This observation aligns with the proposed theory. Another noteworthy observation is that the city of Arles, located in close proximity to Marseille (likely associated with Missellia in the OLB), was referred to by certain Roman authors as Gallulus, meaning "little Gaul." The OLB elucidates how Missellia served as a foothold for the Tyrians and Gola.
The limited prevalence of Gaelic languages in present-day Britain, France, and Spain can be attributed to the historical interactions with the Fryas and Romans, who outnumbered or competed with the Gola, thereby limiting the spread of the language to less populated regions such as Ireland and Scotland. Additionally, the notable similarity in the names Gola, Galatia, Gallia, Galicia, Gallaeci, Gallic, and Gaelic is not a mere coincidence. This observation aligns with the proposed theory. Another noteworthy observation is that the city of Arles, located in close proximity to Marseille (likely associated with Missellia in the OLB), was referred to by certain Roman authors as Gallulus, meaning "little Gaul." The OLB elucidates how Missellia served as a foothold for the Tyrians and Gola.
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well adding to my speculation about horse-water relationship, I just found out that in the AngloSaxon Futhorc, used in Celtic britain, the rune shaped like capital M is pronounced 'eh', and means horse, so I'm not done wondering about it.
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According to Döderlein's Latin thesaurus, "equus" is derived from the ancient word "ehu." It is hypothesized that there was an obscure Semitic word "ehu" which was borrowed and subsequently became "equus." If the "ehu" connection is disregarded, it can be posited that "equus" originates from Fryas KWIK. Thus: KWIK → *ekwin → equīn- (of equus). Fryas KWIK signifies "animal," yet the subsequent association with "quick" might be attributed to the swiftness often associated with animals, such as horses.
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What I try to do now is find out what the phrase about Kelta would have been in a celtic language. The most promising is Welsh;
speak = Siarad
speaker= Siaradwr
caller galwr(galdera or galsterweib is another way to say Völve in german, it reflects the singing they did)
rooster ceiliog
both could be related to 'Kelta'
Kulning- Ancient Swedish herdingcall
now for a try of poetry (with alliteration);
a fast horse on the waters waves like soil = mae ceffyl cyflym ar y dyfroedd yn chwifio fel phridd
ar y dŵr fel ar y ddaear /on the water as on earth
I recognise ceffyl=cheval relates to fast=cyflym, chwifio=swift?
speaking resting on her spear = siarad yn gorffwys ar ei gwaywffon
siaradwr sy'n symud mor gyflym ar y dŵr â cheffyl ar y ddaear = speaker who moves as fast on the water as a horse on earth
siaradwr sy'n mynd mor cyflym ar y dŵr â cheffyl ar y ddaear = a speaker who goes as fast on the water as a horse on the ground
speak = Siarad
speaker= Siaradwr
caller galwr(galdera or galsterweib is another way to say Völve in german, it reflects the singing they did)
rooster ceiliog
both could be related to 'Kelta'
Kulning- Ancient Swedish herdingcall
now for a try of poetry (with alliteration);
a fast horse on the waters waves like soil = mae ceffyl cyflym ar y dyfroedd yn chwifio fel phridd
ar y dŵr fel ar y ddaear /on the water as on earth
I recognise ceffyl=cheval relates to fast=cyflym, chwifio=swift?
speaking resting on her spear = siarad yn gorffwys ar ei gwaywffon
siaradwr sy'n symud mor gyflym ar y dŵr â cheffyl ar y ddaear = speaker who moves as fast on the water as a horse on earth
siaradwr sy'n mynd mor cyflym ar y dŵr â cheffyl ar y ddaear = a speaker who goes as fast on the water as a horse on the ground
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