The Tschudish question

[Nordic]

The OL blog had this interesting note:

'Tsjoed' in (modern) Frisian means 'wrong', 'bad', 'evil'.

On the Tschuden/Chuds wiki: (German): "Die mündliche Überlieferung der Samen und nördlichen Karelier ist reich an Geschichten über als Tschuden bezeichnete Räuber und Feinde" (translated: "Oral tradition of the Sami and northern Karelians abounds with stories of robbers and enemies known as Chuds") // (English): "another hypothesis contends that it is derived from the Sami word tshudde or čuđđe, meaning an enemy or adversary"

THJONSTER is 'sorceress' and THJUSTER(NESSE) is 'dark(ness)', mostly used in negative context.

Overwijn (1941, pp. xxxviii-ix) refers to Tsjoedi/Tsjoegi/Tsoegi => tsigoe, tsigeu => Tsigane, Tsigoin, Zigeun(er); i.e. 'gypsy'. Overwijn (1951, p. 90c) "de verzamelnaam voor Finnen, Letten, Esthen en Lappen in het Russisch is: Tsjoedskïï" van "Tsjodis of Tsjoedis".

First of all, I wonder if thjuster(nesse) 'darkness' ↔ finsternis 'darkness', with thu ↔ Fin. The word can be understood as in metaphorical darkness (non-good or land of the dead), but may also refer to the astro-geographical understanding of Fennoscandia, Ódáinsakr/Odenma/Uttarakuru as polar country where there is little sunlight. For example see Uttarakuru's polar axial line, or "mountain", Meru (alternative spellings include Sumeru, Sineru and Neru) here and the darkness description here. In this context the darkness-dwellers would refer to persons living in country that has actual Nordic seasons of light summer nights and dark winter days.

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The issue of the word is not of small importance, for linguistical substituting of Sumerian cu/su/suen ↔ Germanic Finn (in Finnish: Suomi, suomalainen) forms a central part of evidence for OL narrative's archaic roots (this extends also to associated Norse saga lores). More about that here. There are clues to the extreme age of the word, way beyond the 2000 BC Frisian-Finnish context in OL.

The Bock family saga story of Sven, Dan and Fin (the last also called Lemminkäinen or Balder, of the Aser house) emerging out of the icy prison of Altlandis 'all-land-ice' with cattle and other household animals is paralleled by the Norse story of first Æsir man Búri-Finn emerging out of ice, again with a cattle story related to it (the latter Finn name to Búri is given in the Frá Fornjóti narrative and is given in compound form Puzur-Suen in Sumerian King List). Compared next to Bock family saga and OL narratives, the Norse version seemingly confuses the late ice age Altlandis story with the later 4.2 kiloyear event Aldland story as given in the OL, perhaps due to Finland's Aser Odenma name similarity to Æsir Oden/Odin or Wodin.

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That the name referred originally to the late ice situation is supported by the fact that the Greek Atlas of Atlantis was known to Egyptians as Shu – the same root word again. Furthermore, his attributes of lion, peace and air and wind are the same attributes of Fin or Lemminkäinen of Bock family saga who turns in elder days to role of Ukko, symbolized by lion, peace and sky (the OL narrative Finns are far more warlike).

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And now comes the final, most spectacular part: the same story was known to American Indians. Just as the Finnish and Norse versions were about the Finn or Suomi people living inside the ice in Hel (there is chronological evidence for mammoths living inside the Nordic ice walls, see the Herttoniemi mammoth here), so did the American Indian version also know, accurately, of living on an unfrozen land at the end of the last ice age. Name of that American Indian tribe? Heiltsuk, or 'Hel-Tchudes'. The same exact core word, again underlining the archaic age for the term.

The Bock family saga says that after the ice melted the Aser and Asynjor sent men all over the planet as white emissaries, these being called Han Udens Man or 'He-Sun's-man'. I have no evidence of these early continent-hopping travels, other to note that as per the Mongol histories in the early 1200s the Genghis Khan lost a battle to distant northern Eurasian Narayrgen 'Men-of-the-sun', the exact same name used in similar geographical context. Thus it's unknown if the story and the name-word was taken from Europe to Americas or is a generic, planetary-wide term by no means limited to European alone. Nonetheless the American story is backed geologically. See more about that kind of old late ice age stories here.

[Nordic]

The graph below explains what likely took place in Phoenician and Norse textual contexts.
The Phoenician quote from Sanchuniathon is:

Afterwards Cronus having coneived a suspicion of his own brother Atlas, by the advice of Hermes, threw him into a deep cavern in the earth, and buried him [fall of Atlantis/Aldland]. At this time the descendants of the Dioscuri [Teunis' Frisian-Finnish navy, the latter from Nórr and Górr], having built some light and other more complete ships, put to sea; and being cast away over against Mount Cassius, there consecrated a temple. But the auxiliaries of Ilus, who is Cronus, were called Eloeim [Sumerian Alulim, Biblical Elohim], as it were, the allies of Cronus; being so called after Cronus. [source]

The Norse saga quotes are:

Then said Gangleri: "How did the races grow thence, or after what fashion was it brought to pass that more men came into being? Or do ye hold him God, of whom ye but now spake?" And Jafnhárr answered: "By no means do we acknowledge him God; he was evil and all his kindred: we call them Rime-Giants [Fornjót or Iku-Turilas as þurs]. Now it is said that when he slept, a sweat came upon him, and there grew under his left hand a man and a woman, and one of his feet begat a son with the other; and thus the races are come; these are the Rime-Giants. The old Rime-Giant, him we call Ymir [Ume river, Jumi 'god']." VI. Then said Gangleri: "Where dwelt Ymir, or wherein did he find sustenance?" Hárr answered: "Straightway after the rime dripped, there sprang from it the cow called Audumla; four streams of milk ran from her udders, and she nourished Ymir." Then asked Gangleri: "Wherewithal was the cow nourished?" And Hárr made answer: "She licked the ice-blocks, which were salty [frozen sea water]; and the first day that she licked the blocks, there came forth from the blocks in the evening a man's hair; the second day, a man's head; the third day the whole man was there. He is named Búri: he was fair of feature, great and mighty. He begat a son called Borr, who wedded the woman named Bestla, daughter of Bölthorn the giant; and they had three sons: one was Odin, the second Vili, the third Vé. And this is my belief, that he, Odin, with his brothers, must be ruler of heaven and earth; we hold that he must be so called; so is that man called whom we know to be mightiest and most worthy of honor, and ye do well to let him be so called." [source]

his son Burri, who we call Finn, his son Frjalaf, who we call Bors, his son Voden, who we call Odin. [source]

The relevant narratives are in the OL: destruction of Aldland, Finnish wars and Teunis' naval journeys in Mediterranean region with his Finnish crew; and in Bock family saga: the narratives on ice age, end of ice age and three brothers Sven, Dan and Fin (also called Lemminkäinen or Balder).

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[PýrKlépsas]

Before There Was The Incredible Hulk, There Was Cú Chulainn: The Superhuman Of Irish Myth
By Hannah McKennett | Edited By Leah Silverman
Published August 14, 2019
https://allthatsinteresting.com/cu-chul ... nt_origins

[Nordic]

OL text has:

The supreme one is called Magus. He is the high priest and king at once. All other folk count for nothing and are entirely under their rule. They do not even have a name, but we call them Finns (Source: OL 051)

In 1554 Sweden's most important historian Johannes Magnus wrote in his book that grandson of Noah is Magogus, who lived in 'part of Scythia now called Finland'. Please see here in Swedish translation, Latin and another Latin version.

So in his viewpoint Germanic peoples < Scandinavians < Goths < Finland, which kinda agrees well with Bock family saga's Gotland story, the Norse Búrri-Finn story and with the name association made in Frisian OL and Sumerian SKL (Suen-ma-gir i.e. Suomi-Magjara or 'Finns-Magyars'). When we factor in that the Lamech father of Noah, Magogus' grandfather, was in textual sense originally the Balder or Lemminkäinen, it gets quite interesting:

pre-flood peoples
Lamech (ie. Balder or Lemminkäinen or Lammechinus in Latin)
Noah (i.e. ny 'new', Nóa in name of Nóatún)
Japhet (i.e. Greek Iapetus)
Magogus in Finland
Goths
Scandinavians
Germanic peoples.

Obviously this again confuses the Atlantis of 9,600 BC (Meltwater Pulse 1B) and Aldland of 2194 BC (4.2 kiloyear event). Furthermore it begs even the question if the Biblical people of Magog stand not only for Goths (Oium in southern Russia) and Russians (Russian Finns), but also for Finns of OL narrative. The whole Gog, Magog = bad could be memetically downstream of OL Finns/Magus/Godaburg = bad theme (attested as well in ABC19 and SKL as 'Gutians'). If we want to follow the Ouranus-Wralda linkage, as per Ott's notes, we get as follows:

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