I wonder if the Basques and their language and blood and their customs might be of help to put some pieces together.
The Basques have the highest percentage negative bloodtypes, their language is unrelated to any other, they are very nationalistic, they are pinned on keeping their language alive, they also had a tree (guernica) where dissisions where made under, they also claim to be from atland.
Has there ever been research about the bloodtypes of the Frisians of our day an age?
The possible relevance of the Basques to put some pieces together
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Er Aldaric
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This question also relates to the Sardinian people. Both Basques and Sardinians are genetic outliers when it comes to the rest of Europe. Both of these people have the purest EEF (Early European Farmer) blood, hence why they don't speak an Indo-European language. I made a post on here talking about how these ancient Europeans recognized by today genetics and such fit into the Oera Linda's narrative.
A link between the British and the Basque:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... na-2281798
" Around three-quarters of the Welsh, Scots and English can be traced to those who arrived from the Basque country between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago."
A Sardinian woman. Racially she doesn't look distinct from say a North Western European (Although some do look a lot darker than others). Does this relate to my 'theory' that Ancient European classifications are arbitrary and they are pieces of one Fryan civilization?
The swarthy look commonly seen across the British Isles is subject to a lot of speculation. People came up with tales of Spanish shipwrecks, Neolithic farmer blood. I've always been curious on this subject as with the exception of me, my paternal line has been historically darker despite coming almost exclusively from the British isles. The OL doesn't describe a race of farmers inhabiting the region, instead it claims that the Celts took 'foreign wives' - which I read as an explanation for the dark complexions.
It's interesting they claim to be from Atland. Can you link that? If a 'Neolithic' people were to claim they came from Aldland it'd give more merit to the idea that Early Europeans were not distinct groups.
A link between the British and the Basque:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... na-2281798
" Around three-quarters of the Welsh, Scots and English can be traced to those who arrived from the Basque country between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago."
A Sardinian woman. Racially she doesn't look distinct from say a North Western European (Although some do look a lot darker than others). Does this relate to my 'theory' that Ancient European classifications are arbitrary and they are pieces of one Fryan civilization?
The swarthy look commonly seen across the British Isles is subject to a lot of speculation. People came up with tales of Spanish shipwrecks, Neolithic farmer blood. I've always been curious on this subject as with the exception of me, my paternal line has been historically darker despite coming almost exclusively from the British isles. The OL doesn't describe a race of farmers inhabiting the region, instead it claims that the Celts took 'foreign wives' - which I read as an explanation for the dark complexions.
It's interesting they claim to be from Atland. Can you link that? If a 'Neolithic' people were to claim they came from Aldland it'd give more merit to the idea that Early Europeans were not distinct groups.
Re: The possible relevance of the Basques to put some pieces together
Maybe this link will help, there are quite a few links in it too https://atlantipedia.ie/samples/basques/
Re: The possible relevance of the Basques to put some pieces together
Don't know much about the Basques and Atlantis, but here is link to folklore about Azori islands and Atlantis.
I always assumed the dark-ish element in Britain was to lesser degree due to northward movement of ancient Celts (Gallis, Britons, people in The Book of Invasions) and to greater degree due to Roman empire that stationed all kinds of troops in Britain. Clearly there is also a Nordic white racial element present in Celtic peoples of British isles and the continental Celtic peoples (not sure about the Iberian Celts). To my mind OL narrative goes to great length to explain how the whole racially Nordic, culturally Celtic thing came to be and the root question on how the Nordic Celts differ from the nearby Germanic people who racially look just the same.
There are some big gaps in the OL narrative, though. If we look at the oldest mentions of British isles therein, why are they not a core part of thriving Frisian empire as such? Instead they are mentioned as place for prisoner tin mines:
I always assumed the dark-ish element in Britain was to lesser degree due to northward movement of ancient Celts (Gallis, Britons, people in The Book of Invasions) and to greater degree due to Roman empire that stationed all kinds of troops in Britain. Clearly there is also a Nordic white racial element present in Celtic peoples of British isles and the continental Celtic peoples (not sure about the Iberian Celts). To my mind OL narrative goes to great length to explain how the whole racially Nordic, culturally Celtic thing came to be and the root question on how the Nordic Celts differ from the nearby Germanic people who racially look just the same.
There are some big gaps in the OL narrative, though. If we look at the oldest mentions of British isles therein, why are they not a core part of thriving Frisian empire as such? Instead they are mentioned as place for prisoner tin mines:
Clearly the OL narrative is quiet on something big here. Why we hear of prison colonies instead of colourful Frisian cities, geographically just next to Frisian mainland? Was there some other people that had been recently conquered or massacred by the Frisians (e.g. The Book of Invasions themes)? Ancient Iberian Celts is another thing that OL narrative seems unable to explain directly.Opposite our former Westland, we had Britannia with its tin mines. [...] Britannia was the land of the banished, who were ‘brit’ away with the help of their burgmaid to spare their lives.
(Source OL 048)
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Er Aldaric
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When reading about the Gools I assumed Celtiberians were under that label. I could be wrong though, is there a passage or anything that'd speak against that idea?(not sure about the Iberian Celts)
I agree, the more I think about this the weirder it gets. First of all, the Fryan civilization was pre-industrial meaning that the population size could have been no where near what we see today. Not only that, but we know they were a noble and for the most part morally uncorrupted people - this leaves very few men bad enough to be sent off to the tin mines to begin with. Certainly not enough to occupy the whole landmass of Britain. We are given more information on the Punjab and the Krekalands than Britannia which is really only a boat ride from Frisia.Why we hear of prison colonies instead of colourful Frisian cities, geographically just next to Frisian mainland?
Did Dutch hordes kill off the early Britons who started Stonehenge?: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nt-britons
According to todays research, Neolithic people built Stonehenge which were replaced by the 'Bell-Beaker' folk - hailing from the Netherlands. This goes back to my questions on the Neolithic people in my previous posts.
At first glance the Oera Linda answers so many questions, Upon closer inspection it leaves you with more questions than you had before.
Re: The possible relevance of the Basques to put some pieces together
It could have been a prison island for whole of Germanic Frisian population, not just for criminals from the Frisian coastline on modern Netherlands region. Or alternatively, the whole island could have been off-limits to average Frisians for some reason. The English newspiece you linked to could go great way to describe why there are no OL memories of magnificent Frisian cities in British isles.Er Aldaric wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 17:10 this leaves very few men bad enough to be sent off to the tin mines to begin with.
We often see this kind of historical "gaps" in any given national source of information. Some think the OL Frisian culture extended in east to Baltic Sea and Gulf of Finland even, begging the follow-up question of how then in OL narrative the Finns at 2200 to 2000 BC can be so a newly encountered thing. Is it due to OL texts being recorded from strictly Western European geographical viewpoint? A Biblical example of the same phenomena is the question of why Abraham came out of east into Levant and was not there already. Roman history examples are the issues of Celt-made road-networks and disappearance of Etruscans. And so on. Thus one would not need to assume OL to give perfect listing of all European nations. Furthermore, all countries and cultures have their best times and down times.
Back to the Helena's original question, I'm not sure if anyone has looked at the Basques in OL light. The Mediterranean Sea facing southern France is mentioned in OL as Frisian land, but not sure of the southern France facing more towards the Atlantic Ocean and Basque regions therein. Here's one book from OL viewpoint that may share light on that (which I admittedly have not read, nonetheless please look closely at the cover map). Here's a nice summary on Phoenicians (Gools) on Iberian peninsula. Now obviously there could have been cultures and peoples there long before the dates mentioned in the linked source.