I have been on a short rabbithole about Turks too in the distant past, but I found it more and more fantastical, and there was Turkish greywolf/fascist 'politics' involved I found out. Everyone came from them and is connected...Wewuz Kangz nshit so I dropped it. Alright, I do kind of the same with NW-europeans, as in; 'could it be…?' but I try to be honest. I never thought we really did anything in prehistory and never felt inferior to/about all the cultures, just fascination. I don't even care if we are not the root of civilisation, I just feel Dutch mentality is still very much about honesty, humility, justice, leave people alone etc So wouldn't OL make sense, and be an amazing realisation? And inspiring no matter what?
I loved romantised stories about Jews, gypsies, Mongols, Japan, Maya. Black artists, anarchists etc. Grew up never thinking these would be enemies toward me. Or 'we need to start loving ourselves a bit more'.
But now I see we desparetly need a little selflove and selfpreservation. And we do have a great past and qualities, and 'others'deserve a bit more distrust and rejection. But you sound like a cool guy I could befriend. I can fill in a lot of gaps in your knowledge. I like how you think anyway. I was friends with a Rosicrutian girl and read some of their writing, it overlaps with Zohar/Mason/Hermetics/Gnostisism and it's not all nonsense, but it is curated. I'm glad I didn't become a Nazi and OL helped, but some may think I'm too close to it, just for being honestly examining similar topics that I've before been scared away from by post-war attitude and ongoing corruption of our thinking.
All of it began because I want the state to be impartial and the ethnic Dutch people as sovereign, as it officially was before the EU. You can't have a safe just state without a limited, defined people, keeping others out.
Lately I found the channel Frojax, these young brothers have a tight argument for race-realism(it's not just skinhue) and defend it in debates.
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Thanks Kraftr, for telling me you like the way I think. I even sound like a 'cool guy'. You are more than welcome to fill gaps in my knowledge, that would be very much appreciated!
You write you are glad of not being a Nazi, but you are close, as you seem to admit? I don't even know what 'Nazi' means for you, I guess it's about white supremacy? Or just the idea the Dutch (or Germans?) are better than the rest, so let's keep the rest out? You think the ethnic Dutch people were sovereign before the EU?? When was that, before the Maastricht Treaty (1993)? By then most immigrants from the former colonies, plus 'guest workers' from Turkey and Morocco were already settled in the country (and before that the Sephardic Jews, Huguenots, and so on).. Do you realise the Nazis were a branch (or tool) of the Zionists?
If you ask me, people are usually prone to settle somewhere and stay there if life is good, or at least bearable. Until bad times come, it can be climate change, war, or something else. If people can't survive somewhere, they will move to try to find a better place. I think we humans did this from the very beginning. I feel people should have the right to migrate, if they feel the need. The world belongs to all of us.
Borders are artificial. The geographical area now called 'the Netherlands' was never fenced off from the outside world, it was always a coming and going of people.
That being said, since the rise of 'populist' politics (25 years ago), I am slowly starting to realise my view is a bit elitist/globalist. I do understand that the best way to keep the poor poor, is to maintain a steady inflow of poor people from abroad. This keeps wages lower, and housing costs higher. There is a agenda behind the immigration politics, that is for sure. I would call it not a leftist but a fascist agenda. So just to be clear, I am not a fascist in any way shape or form. So at this point I have some sympathy to the real left, I wouldn't call them racists anymore, just for being against 'mass-immigration'.
Funny you admit being close to Nazi, but you dropped the 'Turkish rabbit hole' because of the extreme right wing stain it seems to have? Do you remember 5 years ago, when people who just wanted their freedom back were called Nazis? It's smart to call something extreme right wing, people will not take it serious and stay far away from it. I remember when I still believed in Aids, there were stories that in Africa they believed if you rape a baby child, you would be cured. Perfect controlled opposition if you ask me, how can you doubt the Aids narrative, are you a child molester??
In Babylon our languages got confused, but that was just the beginning as it seems. We now need to start with getting our definitions of certain words in line. I wish I lived in the time when usury ment (ANY) interest on debt, must have been a more honest time (not just in the little river-delta used to be known as Frisia).
You write you are glad of not being a Nazi, but you are close, as you seem to admit? I don't even know what 'Nazi' means for you, I guess it's about white supremacy? Or just the idea the Dutch (or Germans?) are better than the rest, so let's keep the rest out? You think the ethnic Dutch people were sovereign before the EU?? When was that, before the Maastricht Treaty (1993)? By then most immigrants from the former colonies, plus 'guest workers' from Turkey and Morocco were already settled in the country (and before that the Sephardic Jews, Huguenots, and so on).. Do you realise the Nazis were a branch (or tool) of the Zionists?
If you ask me, people are usually prone to settle somewhere and stay there if life is good, or at least bearable. Until bad times come, it can be climate change, war, or something else. If people can't survive somewhere, they will move to try to find a better place. I think we humans did this from the very beginning. I feel people should have the right to migrate, if they feel the need. The world belongs to all of us.
Borders are artificial. The geographical area now called 'the Netherlands' was never fenced off from the outside world, it was always a coming and going of people.
That being said, since the rise of 'populist' politics (25 years ago), I am slowly starting to realise my view is a bit elitist/globalist. I do understand that the best way to keep the poor poor, is to maintain a steady inflow of poor people from abroad. This keeps wages lower, and housing costs higher. There is a agenda behind the immigration politics, that is for sure. I would call it not a leftist but a fascist agenda. So just to be clear, I am not a fascist in any way shape or form. So at this point I have some sympathy to the real left, I wouldn't call them racists anymore, just for being against 'mass-immigration'.
Funny you admit being close to Nazi, but you dropped the 'Turkish rabbit hole' because of the extreme right wing stain it seems to have? Do you remember 5 years ago, when people who just wanted their freedom back were called Nazis? It's smart to call something extreme right wing, people will not take it serious and stay far away from it. I remember when I still believed in Aids, there were stories that in Africa they believed if you rape a baby child, you would be cured. Perfect controlled opposition if you ask me, how can you doubt the Aids narrative, are you a child molester??
In Babylon our languages got confused, but that was just the beginning as it seems. We now need to start with getting our definitions of certain words in line. I wish I lived in the time when usury ment (ANY) interest on debt, must have been a more honest time (not just in the little river-delta used to be known as Frisia).
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Yeah I agree; I oppose the EU because it is fascist. I am percieved as Nazi, but I see the difference; ethnic nationalism, opposing communism etc is not fascist. Fascism can put on any coat, now it's neoliberal, climate etc.
Your painting Dutch identity as a melting pot is offensive to me because I see the hostile and opportunistic coming together in this propaganda magic. It is a view that appeals to your position as a global stranger. People who don't belong anywhere fall victim to opportunistic, hostile attitudes. Turks and Morrocans are still that, blacks and jews will forever complain. It is subversive without any effort. And thank you for recognising it is a war tactic. Globalism is not free trade, it is colonial, playing people against eachother, and plunder. Law and borders are not fascist. Migration is not a right. Our heritance, jobs, houses, welfare, living with us are not a right. Opportunistic selfish reasoning again. Maybe you are not cool? I liked your style of reasoning, reminded me of myself a couple of decades ago.
I dropped the turk rabbit hole then because it was dogmatic and cultish, no selfcriticism. And 'Turks' dit a lot of barbaric stuff, I just like the yurt mongol romanticism, some music and aestetics.
I can imagine the language being fascinating too.
Your painting Dutch identity as a melting pot is offensive to me because I see the hostile and opportunistic coming together in this propaganda magic. It is a view that appeals to your position as a global stranger. People who don't belong anywhere fall victim to opportunistic, hostile attitudes. Turks and Morrocans are still that, blacks and jews will forever complain. It is subversive without any effort. And thank you for recognising it is a war tactic. Globalism is not free trade, it is colonial, playing people against eachother, and plunder. Law and borders are not fascist. Migration is not a right. Our heritance, jobs, houses, welfare, living with us are not a right. Opportunistic selfish reasoning again. Maybe you are not cool? I liked your style of reasoning, reminded me of myself a couple of decades ago.
I dropped the turk rabbit hole then because it was dogmatic and cultish, no selfcriticism. And 'Turks' dit a lot of barbaric stuff, I just like the yurt mongol romanticism, some music and aestetics.
I can imagine the language being fascinating too.
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I feel this is all a bit off topic.
I agree the EU is fascist, but so is the whole Dutch parliament (they showed their true colors when they all voted for the fascist covid coup). Leaving the EU leaves us with a totally corrupted national political elite.
I would like to continue about what you call the Turkish rabbit hole. I know the official history paints the Turks as a barbaric tribe, like the Germanic tribes, or the North African Moors (Berbers). So you if I understand you right, somehow you understand the Germanic tribes might not have been as barbaric as pictured by 'the Romans', but what we 'know' about the Turks is all true?
I still hope you have the time to enlighten me with your knowledge, especially since you seem to have an advantage of a few decades over me.. So far nothing you wrote here is relevant to me.
I agree the EU is fascist, but so is the whole Dutch parliament (they showed their true colors when they all voted for the fascist covid coup). Leaving the EU leaves us with a totally corrupted national political elite.
I would like to continue about what you call the Turkish rabbit hole. I know the official history paints the Turks as a barbaric tribe, like the Germanic tribes, or the North African Moors (Berbers). So you if I understand you right, somehow you understand the Germanic tribes might not have been as barbaric as pictured by 'the Romans', but what we 'know' about the Turks is all true?
I still hope you have the time to enlighten me with your knowledge, especially since you seem to have an advantage of a few decades over me.. So far nothing you wrote here is relevant to me.
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It was about genetics, racemixing and inbreeding among non-whites. Is that off topic or relevant to you? I mostly enjoy what you write about. I just felt called out by your white supremacist comment, and subversion of (Dutch) nationalist plights, while glazing Turks and elitist cosmopolitan awesomeness, it feels immature and disrespectfull/trollish. Otherwise carry on, it is interesting and I appreciate the effort.
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Well, to be completely honest, I am not so sure anymore about the science of genetics, it seems to be an instrument to 'prove' the Jews are all related and come from the Levant. Something I am starting to doubt more and more at this point. Who profits from this science? The Zionists with their 'Israel project' (to make sure you understand that they are involved in much more than that).
I mentioned before the inbreeding amongst my globalist cousins. I think the elite marries within their own families because they know/think they know that way they will reincarnate within their own family, and rule forever. This might be what the Cabbalistic Tree of Life is about? Maybe I am wrong though.
Biology, evolution theory, I not so sure anymore about Darwin as well. But the idea that its not healthy to make offspring with a close family member seems just common sense to me. Inbreeding among non whites, sure, I am also against that, for the same reason. I don't see what's your point?
I don't see the problem with race mixing. Like I wrote before, I think we always received and absorbed people from abroad. But most people don't seem to like to mix, they prefer a partner that looks similar, has a similar cultural background and so on, and that is also fine with me. I mean, in the Netherlands, if you talk with someone with a Surinamese Hindustani background, you will see big chance they are married within their own group. Same for Turkish or Moroccan immigrants, and they mostly stick together in certain neighbourhoods of the bigger cities. They get blamed for their lack of assimilation, but I think it was all part of the plan, divide and rule. How about freedom of choice, isn't that a good thing?
I am sorry if you felt called out, but when I think of white supremacists, I think first of all of Zionists. After the fall of the South African Apartheid, there is only one Apartheids-system left, ruling to this day, until recently without much opposition from abroad. They never had my support. And those zionists are cosmopolitans like me. If you look at the data on IQ it seems clear the Jews are the master race, right? And sub-Saharan Africa has the lowest scores. I also doubt the whole IQ thing, I mean again, the plandemic was an eye opener for me in many ways, basically the whole of Israel got vaccinated, but Africa was a headache for mister Gates.
If we want to escape the panopticon of our globalist rulers, Africa might be the only option left for 'freedom refugees'. I am ready to jump the ship from my base here on the edge of Europe.
If we talk about Turks we think of people from modern day Turkey right? What if that is just one tribe of Turk/Turanian peoples? In southern Russia there are (muslim) Tatars who look completely European white to me. Marco Polo described the Khan as European looking. If it is true that (proto) Turkish is the first language, I think that is a big deal, even if some Turkish tribes might have had the custom to cut off the heads of their enemies and used the skull to have a nice,.. well, skull of wine.
So yeah, I think we went a little off topic here, I would like this topic to be about our hidden past. If the proto Turks played a big role in it, I want to know more, even if they really did kill a hell of a lot of Armenians a hundred-something years ago. I am not a Turkish nationalist, and I really don't have any agenda, I just want to have a better understanding of our true past.
So far I understand you reject the Turkish angle because it is said to be extreme right wing, Turkish nationalistic, dogmatic, and Turks are barbaric?
I am only 45 years old, but it was a long time ago someone called me or my words immature. I don't write much online, so no one used the words 'trollish' ever before, commenting on me. If I am writing bullshit here, it's only because I am a fool and I understand so little. That is why I decided to put my ideas into writing, and share them here with you all. Please follow me and share your thoughts! I am a big fan of a respectful dialogue.
I mentioned before the inbreeding amongst my globalist cousins. I think the elite marries within their own families because they know/think they know that way they will reincarnate within their own family, and rule forever. This might be what the Cabbalistic Tree of Life is about? Maybe I am wrong though.
Biology, evolution theory, I not so sure anymore about Darwin as well. But the idea that its not healthy to make offspring with a close family member seems just common sense to me. Inbreeding among non whites, sure, I am also against that, for the same reason. I don't see what's your point?
I don't see the problem with race mixing. Like I wrote before, I think we always received and absorbed people from abroad. But most people don't seem to like to mix, they prefer a partner that looks similar, has a similar cultural background and so on, and that is also fine with me. I mean, in the Netherlands, if you talk with someone with a Surinamese Hindustani background, you will see big chance they are married within their own group. Same for Turkish or Moroccan immigrants, and they mostly stick together in certain neighbourhoods of the bigger cities. They get blamed for their lack of assimilation, but I think it was all part of the plan, divide and rule. How about freedom of choice, isn't that a good thing?
I am sorry if you felt called out, but when I think of white supremacists, I think first of all of Zionists. After the fall of the South African Apartheid, there is only one Apartheids-system left, ruling to this day, until recently without much opposition from abroad. They never had my support. And those zionists are cosmopolitans like me. If you look at the data on IQ it seems clear the Jews are the master race, right? And sub-Saharan Africa has the lowest scores. I also doubt the whole IQ thing, I mean again, the plandemic was an eye opener for me in many ways, basically the whole of Israel got vaccinated, but Africa was a headache for mister Gates.
If we want to escape the panopticon of our globalist rulers, Africa might be the only option left for 'freedom refugees'. I am ready to jump the ship from my base here on the edge of Europe.
If we talk about Turks we think of people from modern day Turkey right? What if that is just one tribe of Turk/Turanian peoples? In southern Russia there are (muslim) Tatars who look completely European white to me. Marco Polo described the Khan as European looking. If it is true that (proto) Turkish is the first language, I think that is a big deal, even if some Turkish tribes might have had the custom to cut off the heads of their enemies and used the skull to have a nice,.. well, skull of wine.
So yeah, I think we went a little off topic here, I would like this topic to be about our hidden past. If the proto Turks played a big role in it, I want to know more, even if they really did kill a hell of a lot of Armenians a hundred-something years ago. I am not a Turkish nationalist, and I really don't have any agenda, I just want to have a better understanding of our true past.
So far I understand you reject the Turkish angle because it is said to be extreme right wing, Turkish nationalistic, dogmatic, and Turks are barbaric?
I am only 45 years old, but it was a long time ago someone called me or my words immature. I don't write much online, so no one used the words 'trollish' ever before, commenting on me. If I am writing bullshit here, it's only because I am a fool and I understand so little. That is why I decided to put my ideas into writing, and share them here with you all. Please follow me and share your thoughts! I am a big fan of a respectful dialogue.