Radical chronology revision

Dating of the various texts in relation to other sources, archaeology, geology, genetics etc.
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Nordic wrote: 22 Feb 2025, 22:12you have my attention on this
I wish I had more time to present my finds and preliminary musings.

What I can do is offer good material made by others. How is your understanding of the German language?

If you believe or assume that the conventional dating (AD 79) of the Pompeii finds is correct, the video Zeitbombe Pompeji (linked to before in this thread) should help you reconsider the issue. I think it is a suitable starting point for the adventurous journey that awaits you.
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One point, I add, is cross referencing cataclysms’ survival stories between continents.

Native Americans, particularly Ogala, of the Lakota Sioux, being historically known as Sioux of the Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota tribes, proclaim lineage from their “seven grandfathers” whom came out of the Black Hills in Wind Cave about 7,000 years ago (Mexican Maya indicate a similar story, yet with seven caves, as in separate clans seeking refuge literally in a mountain’s cave systems, or potentially literally the seven patriarchs and said clans).

Clearly, there are major clues among each culture, especially those of sea fairing peoples, yet the Lakota oral history is striking as it does coordinate with the usual time frame for a “flood”, and specifically, this is what they were seeking refuge from in their oral history.

The author O’Connor, in Chronicles of Eri, describes his findings referring to ”flood” as the flood depicting a large swarm of peoples, potentially, in my opinion, a general thing that happens in every epoch when the outbreeding runs rampant and certain areas are plagued by large scale invasions (meaning, one flood is deluge specific and another is poetic fervor).

We’ve known of cyclical ages, say, the Kali Yuga, for example, however these cycles often overlap and mix and match, especially with our understanding in modern materials, to such an extent that it becomes nearly impossible to distinguish between timelines.
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Watched the German short film. It seems to me that:
  • Edit: 0. in c. 44 BC Julius Caesar gives order to map whole world, after 26 years they bring back pineapples (here and here)
  • 1. there was an ancient Pompeii that was destroyed by a volcano (fully pagan frescoes)
  • 2. there was a medieval or renaissance era town, with same name, built in top of it (shown in maps)
  • 3. this town had a paid canal work done
  • 4. this town was destroyed, for second time, by the nearby volcano
  • 5. some of the underground entrances were since then demolished on site (e.g. brick re-use, marble melting)
  • 6. some of the re-found items or buildings could be from the medieval town, but not the pagan frescoes.
The revisionists may have undiscovered items #0, #2 and #6 by merely looking at old maps and architectural accounts, thus the mainstream history teaching ought to be revised due to that.

The historical difficulty comes from the fact, that the stone tablet commorating the later volcano eruption seems to use Latin and be written as an archaic Roman text - why not just in plain Italian of the era? The medical tools could be early 1600s tools, but I do not see a reason why they couldn't be real antiquity pieces as human anatomy and metallurgy were the same back then (not sure how screw threads were made, surely not by filing?). Three Graces painting (three women) is similar and one could wonder if the same pagan Roman fresco was actually visible before the 1600s volcano eruption, or it's a case of standard cultural desing. See the bent tree here and here. Or the 10,000 year old Pisces astronomical symbol here (bottom left). Edit: then we have the Pompeii cross, perhaps pre-Christian symbol akin to Celtic Esus the woodcutter (Jesus the tektōn carpenter).

The video maker wonders how human society can be the same for 1000 or 1500 years - I claim that's nothing compared to whole millenias, or even tens of thousands of years, of mankind staying the same. Development across all areas tends to happen in bursts, as seen so well in the 1900s.

The textual revisionism is additional to all this Pompeii thing: were medieval ruler biographical details inserted into old genealogical tables (e.g. Bible) or vice versa? Was our Bible written in one go, or as the later New Testament textually modelled after the older Old Testament? What Greek, Buddhist, Sumerian etc stories the authors had to know in one form or another? Were the most historical pre-1600s dates retroactively calculated via astronomy? And so on.

Noted from the video the book on Sumerian things. I'll have to track that down, as Sumerian textual correspondence is the main argument for Oera Linda book narrative's authenticity (as opposed to the paper, which can be newer copy).

Edit: The Romans really did go all the way to Americas and pagan Pompeii shows that (it took them 26 years in the western direction, which makes no sense in regard to the western European countries known to Romans). Later the Roman Catholics re-learned of the Americas in c. 1076 via the Norse, from German Roman Catholic Adam of Bremen's Gesta work (that mentions explicitly the Norse finding of new continent) and nowadays it's recognised that Milano Dominicanic monk Galvaneus Flamma referred also to Americas in a 1345 document, using the Viking termonology of Markland ("Marckalada"). Here's a 500s to 400s BC Buddhist work casually referring to Viracocha Pachayachicachan, his son Inti and the serpent cult as "Virūpakkha" (with red skin!), "Inda" (after Indra) and "nagas" . As we see here, the story of western "India" predates Columbus by some ~ 1900 years.
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Nordic wrote: 26 Feb 2025, 17:00some of the re-found items or buildings could be from the medieval town, but not the pagan frescoes.
Why not?
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ott wrote: 26 Feb 2025, 19:20
Nordic wrote: 26 Feb 2025, 17:00some of the re-found items or buildings could be from the medieval town, but not the pagan frescoes.
Why not?
A very good question. The following are antiquity art style pointers:
  • artistic choice of pale women and reddish-skinned darker tone for men (as seen in e.g. Minoan, Egyptian arts)
  • blurred or generic painted background (vs. medieval or later fully rendered background; three Graces example)
  • shirts or gowns with no sleeves (vs. medieval or later over-clothed style, due to climate)
  • openly sexual depictions in a Roman setting (vs. later medieval and post-medieval shame culture)
  • naked children with Greek-style togas in a non-Biblical (so-called naked fugitive) context
  • female bikinis (vs. medieval or later over-clothed style, due to climate)
  • older finer hair styles and lack of hats (vs. medieval or later pompous hats).
I do think the stone table showcased does in fact look as if purposefully made to copy the ancient Roman look. Which makes little sense to my mind as everyone living there would have spoken Italian, not Latin, at the time (perhaps it was not meant for commoners to be read, but only for local and visiting cultural elite).

Some examples of Heinsohnian take on Sumer in English: here, here and here. I agree with the idea presented in the links, that the old peoples and text sources do use 'Chaldean' for ancient Sumerians. We see this in the Old Testament, that is seemingly downstream of Sumerian text sources (SKL, ABC19), among other textual sources. I have not looked at dept at the other claims on nearby cultures, though I do know the Laurence Waddell found evidence that some ancient Hindu and Levant sources list one and the same dynasties. Which, again, ought not the controversial as everyone agrees there were Sanskrit speaking warriors in ancient Levant. So in general I think the likes of Heinsohnians should be listened to, it's possible they too may have found out new details.
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Right after defending the long chronology view yesterday, I learned that the exact date OL presents the famous Wodin war starting, the Yule feast of 2013 BC (-2194+101+80= 2013 BC), was a major astronomical conjuction. Which, if viewed in light of Scaligerian backward astronomical calculations, could be seen as pointer that the date was only later on retroactively calculated. I want to put this out if any Heinsohnians here want to give this detail a look.
Eighty years later — just when the Yulefeast had begun — they came on us unexpectedly and like a blizzard fell over our lands. Those who could not flee were killed. (source: OL 052, Ott translation)

JUPITER -SATURN CONJUCTIONS BC 24 DEC 2013 BC - CAPRICORN (source: Jupiter-Saturn Conjuctions From 2092 BC - 2100 CE, link)
Learn more here. Thus, one could make the argument that the date was retroactively calculated a la Scaliger, as it was by that linked author. Note that for that to work it requires the OL Yule time to be the same 24th Christmas day as today, for the order of months and days to be exactly the same (i.e. no 13 month years and so on, year starts at the same date) and the year to be 2194 and not 2193 (which we have discussed years earlier).

For the counter evidence that the 2194 BC chaos really did took place, please see here and here.

I'll update the similar-chronology-used topic in the other thread, with more details, as this is so relevant for the issue. Edit: it's updated.
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Again, I wish I had more time for this.
The Pompeji issue was indeed ment as
ott wrote: 24 Feb 2025, 08:19... a suitable starting point ...
which means there is much more.
For (just another mere) example, Homer,
possibly born c. 8th century BCE, may have been an Ancient Greek poet who authored the Iliad and the Odyssey — ... a blind bard from Ionia
(and relevant here because of OL chapter M) may actually have been Audomarus (or: Audmar, Audomare, Omaar/Omer), born c. 595, died c. 670; monk, bisshop. (source)
From 663 onwards, Audomarus is said to have been blind. ... His intercession is invoked against eye diseases, probably because of the blindness he himself suffered from.
More details in this video summary (at 18:48) of a book I just finished reading. (I don't agree with all other examples in the video and book.)
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I have suspected for some time that the passages below refer to the so-called Viking Age (c. 800-1050 CE), which I now believe coincides with our so-called Roman period: the time when Papal/Venetian (OL: Phoenician?) influence became a greater threat in northern Europe.

U2. About Friso/Danish Alliance
The Sealand navigators (…) who had a strong antipathy to the Gola, later went pirating Phoenician [Venetian?] ships.
… out of lust for revenge against the Gola and the Kelta-Followers, they joined forces with the Sealanders.
Eventually, each went pirating separately; but when it suited them, they stood loyally by one another.
… they had brought various precious goods that they had stolen from Keltic lands and Phoenician ships.
Z. Era of Askar/Streams of Blood
[Askar] took two islands as a base for his ships, from which he later went out to plunder all the Phoenician ships and cities he could reach.
Z. Era of Askar/Idolatry and Superstition
Once Askar had thus become allied with the Jutters and the other Danes, they went out together plundering.
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As suggested earlier in footnotes to the texts in question, there could also be a direct connection between,
on the one hand, the Visigothic* kings:

(1) Athanaric (reign: 369-381 in Scaligerian chronology)
Athanaric was faced with invasions by the Roman Empire, the Huns and a civil war with Christian rebels. He is considered the first king of the Visigoths
and (2) Alaric I (reign: 395-410 in Scaligerian chronology)
He operated mainly against the successive Western Roman regimes... responsible for the sack of Rome in 410
and on the other hand, in Oera Linda:

(1) Friso’s son Adel, nicknamed Atharikthat is: ‘rich in allies’ (U3. Striving for Reunion/Adel and Ifkia)
and (2) Alrik, kinsman of Askar [a.k.a. Black Adel] — they chose Alrik as military leader (Z. Era of Askar/Askar's Failure)

*Note:
Visigoth in the Fryas mind would mean WIS ÀND GOD — wise and good.
F2. Minerva
which is why our folk elects our leaders, aldermen, counselors, and all chieftains and masters from the wisest of the good (WISESTA THÉRA GODA) people — so that all will do their best to become wise and good (WIS ÀND GOD).
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ott wrote: 01 Mar 2025, 09:16*Note:
Visigoth in the Fryas mind would mean WIS ÀND GOD — wise and good.
I know Visigoths are explained as West-Goths, next to Ostrogoths (East-Goths), but it seems unlikely to me that the sound combination “-est” (uniform in Dutch, English, Frisian, German, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, French, Spanish and Portuguese) would have changed to “-is-” (without 't'). Possibly under the influence of the Greek “Δύση” (Dýsi).

Anyway, the possible (alternative/associated) meaning of Visigoths was only a side note, not the main point of my post.
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