Lost middle ages - some resources
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Lost middle ages - some resources
Did Ancient Greece Exist? Re-dating Greece from Homer to the Renaissance by TherealNotus [YouTube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvKNRGahDsw
Read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Joh ... #Biography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Hard ... literature
Shadow Rome - IV: The Book Hunters by MORTARBOARD [YouTube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxzDO5q0Ao4
How History Was Really Re-Writen, Humanists vs The Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpyRrR3gkyY
Did They Change Raphael's Paintings?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq9vFIHduVA
by Static in the attic [YouTube]
Gunnar Heinsohn - Toronto conference 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c876lPZ-UZU
Some Gunnar Heinsohn's pdf-resources:
https://www.q-mag.org/gunnar-heinsohns- ... nt-ad.html
https://www.q-mag.org/vikings-without-t ... sails.html
https://www.q-mag.org/london-in-the-fir ... polis.html
https://www.q-mag.org/10th-century-coll ... ology.html
Catholicism - A Pagan Religion?
https://adtv.watch/total-onslaught/catholicism-pagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w09daECnbwQ
https://www.slideserve.com/yaron/mystery-babylon
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Very interesting links and info!
From my perspective,
involving the art of making statues/blocks by casting, in this discussion can give also the needed perspective.
If we can rectify the axioma that the 'originals' must have been carved or chiseled.
This can be true only so far, for the 'original' for the mold.
Let it be not preposterous to think we may have been wrong in this.
And the mass produced statues and blocks may have been the result of industrial use of casting, even in the 'ancient' times.
Romans had good mortar, why not have been able to use the proces for all sort of stone combining and pouring like limestone, granite, ...
One option is to attribute 'lost' for the knowledge in the far past, to reappear only in more modern times.
Other option is to attribute the point in time for these so called far-past events, to the just earlier time that the knowledge came common and exploited by granted pattents and so on.
I think the discovery of the broad application of rubber can be pivotal in using enhanced molds.
An eye-opener is the argument of the lady in the second clip, where she states that casted 'immitation' sculptures are often using 'poles', camouflaged as part of the statue like a spear, to carry the weight of extensions and giving balance to the statue (certainly while making). Well, take a close look for how many 'original' carved statues this is the case, or no arms (problem solved .
About molds and casting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNTFd_LZgwo
About Roman statues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4jKdx7dhY
From my perspective,
involving the art of making statues/blocks by casting, in this discussion can give also the needed perspective.
If we can rectify the axioma that the 'originals' must have been carved or chiseled.
This can be true only so far, for the 'original' for the mold.
Let it be not preposterous to think we may have been wrong in this.
And the mass produced statues and blocks may have been the result of industrial use of casting, even in the 'ancient' times.
Romans had good mortar, why not have been able to use the proces for all sort of stone combining and pouring like limestone, granite, ...
One option is to attribute 'lost' for the knowledge in the far past, to reappear only in more modern times.
Other option is to attribute the point in time for these so called far-past events, to the just earlier time that the knowledge came common and exploited by granted pattents and so on.
I think the discovery of the broad application of rubber can be pivotal in using enhanced molds.
An eye-opener is the argument of the lady in the second clip, where she states that casted 'immitation' sculptures are often using 'poles', camouflaged as part of the statue like a spear, to carry the weight of extensions and giving balance to the statue (certainly while making). Well, take a close look for how many 'original' carved statues this is the case, or no arms (problem solved .
About molds and casting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNTFd_LZgwo
About Roman statues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4jKdx7dhY
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Another video in the same line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyOCUMzHeLM
Not in this video i think, but many times the form of decay of the statues stones are the same as artifical man-made concrete in our time. Erosion more common on extensions like corners or noses! That can be a totally other explanation why we see many noses 'cut off' or disfigured. The layered peeled decay is also such a characteristic.
Whatever one might agree with or not,
the channel has many interesting videos just because of the vast amount of early pictures of ancient sites.
As I understand his take is that of a 'previous' but pretty recent civilisation called Tartaria. Trending it seems.
For me, calling the 'civilisation' Tartaria may set people on wrong foot.
That civilisation with worldwide footprints (here as abroad) can be the one in place when on all maps Tartaria was kwown and depicted as a region.
Don't know in how so far that civilisation must be called previous (like vanished).
Bottom line is imo:
Roman and neoclassical architecture could be shorter adjacent to eachother than we might assume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyOCUMzHeLM
Not in this video i think, but many times the form of decay of the statues stones are the same as artifical man-made concrete in our time. Erosion more common on extensions like corners or noses! That can be a totally other explanation why we see many noses 'cut off' or disfigured. The layered peeled decay is also such a characteristic.
Whatever one might agree with or not,
the channel has many interesting videos just because of the vast amount of early pictures of ancient sites.
As I understand his take is that of a 'previous' but pretty recent civilisation called Tartaria. Trending it seems.
For me, calling the 'civilisation' Tartaria may set people on wrong foot.
That civilisation with worldwide footprints (here as abroad) can be the one in place when on all maps Tartaria was kwown and depicted as a region.
Don't know in how so far that civilisation must be called previous (like vanished).
Bottom line is imo:
Roman and neoclassical architecture could be shorter adjacent to eachother than we might assume.
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While Gunnar Heinsohn's research is commendable, the quality of research conducted by Anatoly Fomenko and his proponents of the New Chronology is questionable. The latter heavily relies on the Bible as a reliable source, and his work is rife with disingenuous cherry-picking and poor scholarship. The Tartaria hypothesis is currently in vogue, and its proliferation can be attributed to the deracination of many individuals, as well as the promotion of such content by algorithms on prominent platforms such as YouTube and TikTok. This is even evidenced by the inquiry raised by an individual in Jan's audience during a March session, which specifically addressed the subject of Tartaria.
Aewar and Wooden Nickels on YouTube and other online platforms have exposed the intellectual limitations and superficiality of this Tartaria meme. Concurrently, the website conjuringthepast.com has published a series of articles that provide a comprehensive overview of the subject. In summary, the term "Tartaria" does not denote an advanced global civilization destroyed by a cataclysmic upheaval, but rather, it is a historical term denoting Asia. The term "Tartarians" historically referred to the Mongols or Mughals, who were likely distantly related to the Turks and Magyars, or Huns and Hungarians, as evidenced by the Fryas' self-description of the Tartars as aggressive people from the East. For a foundational overview of the Tartarian/Mongolian Empire, Robert Sepehr's video The Great Tartarian Empire on his channel is a valuable resource.
Aewar and Wooden Nickels on YouTube and other online platforms have exposed the intellectual limitations and superficiality of this Tartaria meme. Concurrently, the website conjuringthepast.com has published a series of articles that provide a comprehensive overview of the subject. In summary, the term "Tartaria" does not denote an advanced global civilization destroyed by a cataclysmic upheaval, but rather, it is a historical term denoting Asia. The term "Tartarians" historically referred to the Mongols or Mughals, who were likely distantly related to the Turks and Magyars, or Huns and Hungarians, as evidenced by the Fryas' self-description of the Tartars as aggressive people from the East. For a foundational overview of the Tartarian/Mongolian Empire, Robert Sepehr's video The Great Tartarian Empire on his channel is a valuable resource.
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Hello. I don't have much to add to your comment, but I have one thing to say.
I have had my say
With all due respect, as I can see you are very much into the story of Oera Linda, I can plainly see that you have never been to Finland yourself, which might add to the reason you are putting Finns in the same basket with Huns. You might come back with some kind of DNA-study, but you can save it for I have no interest for them and I don't find them trustworthy. I only find this particular way to phrase your argument as ignorant. If what you're saying is true, then please explain the existence of the word 'tattare' (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tattare) [compare: tartar]. The word is used in Finland all the same. I don't think it is very likely people calling themselves nomads...
I have had my say
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In the Oera Linda book, the terms "Magyars" and "Finns" are often used interchangeably; however, I have yet to conduct a thorough analysis of this phenomenon. According to the Finno-Ugric reconstruction, there were notable linguistic and, consequently, racial affinities within these populations during ancient times. Subsequent to this historical period, the Finns and Swedes have experienced significant cultural and genetic convergence over the past eight centuries, largely attributable to the conquest of the Finns by the Swedes during the Northern Crusades. This interaction has the potential to encompass both genetic and linguistic elements, which could result in the adoption of Swedish loanwords by the Finns. Consequently, contemporary Finns may not bear a direct resemblance to their ancient ancestors. However, it is plausible to hypothesize the existence of an ancestral connection between the Finns and a primordial Hungarian-Finnish group, from which the modern mixed Hungarians also descend.
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Let me explain something.
You see, the southern part of Finland has been bilingual for a long long time, it is even awknowledged in the 2nd prolog of first Finnish-language translation of the new testament (written by Mikael Agricola in 1540's):
''Uusimaa coast-dwellers of the provinces Borgå and Raseborg, and all population of Kaland and Österbotten the same, who speak swedish of today, have come from Sweden, meaning Gotland, as their origin.''[...] se Wdhen maan Randacanssa / Borghon ia Rasburin Läneis / ette mös caiki Lootolaiset / Calandis / ia Pohialaiset / iotca wiele tenepene Rotzinkielille puhuuat / ouat ollut Rotzista eli Gollandista ensin wlostulleet
https://kaino.kotus.fi/korpus/vks/meta/ ... t1_rdf.xml
This can be explained thus:
Firstly, with ''swedish'' is ment that the language, that which was turned into a bible at the time when Gustav Vasa was the king of Sweden and Finland, became the official ''other-than-finnish''-language bible - for the Swedes, Gotland inclued, and likewise the population of Finland who were living around the coastal areas and thus became unified in book-wise manner (if you know even just a tiny bit of Dutch, Norwegian and Swedish, it is obvious that at one time their root is the same, and the language of Gotland is somewhere near the split maybe?). It is awknowledged pretty much by everyone that coastal culture and inland culture of Finland were separate, the first made their living by fishing and seafaring, the later with hunting (they must have known agriculture...) etc.
Now, were a ''swede'' from Uusimaa to travel Stockholm, they can't understand anything what is being said - the Gotland swedish ''A, B, C, D...'' of today is practically identical to that of Uusimaa both finnish and swedish of today, but finnish ''A, B, C, D...'' has two (2) differences - <today> the connection of Gotland's swedish language <only> applies to southern part of Finland, for the language of Gotland is very different from swedish spoken in Stockholm, while the swedes of Österbotten is highly similiar to swedish of Stockholm. The truth is that the swedes of Österbotten and that of Uusimaa are separate people, and it all makes sense when we awknowledge what Mikael Agricola wrote down in the 16th century - it is really that simple.
The ''Sweden, meaning Gotland''-part is simply phrased this way because at that time Gotland was a part of Sweden.
All of this becomes even more clear from the documented interviews made with finnish population of Österbotten (use google browse-translator):
https://www.narvasoft.fi/kalevanpojat/s ... etoja.html
And that doesn't stop there:
As you can see from the quote, Mikael Agricola, who has no reason to lie about something like this, is completely ignored by scholars of today, and if you don't make a separate request for me to explain why this claim in the quote is 100% nonsensical (which is, by the way, forced upon the kids in the ''free'' but mandatory school of Finland called ''peruskoulu'') I don't care to go thourgh it because it really hurts my head. If you look into it by yourself, just so you know, what the scholars are suggesting is an absolute impossibility and it doesn't even make any sense.The early settlements (of southern Finland) were raided by Vikings, and later colonised by Christians from Sweden. They arrived mostly from the Swedish coastal regions of Norrland and Hälsingland, and their migration intensified around 1100.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki# ... NKent_33-1
The truth is that Museovirasto (''Finnish Heritage Agency'') is outwardly a Swedish-led corporation the destroy proof of the nonscholarly history of Finland, and their own, and I have plenty of proof. I am not making this accuastion on my own. The actions of swedish-led academy of Finland is no different from Sweden of today destroying their antiquity, and whenever there's a sight of regalia or something else, it is either destroyed or hidden somewhere, and if that can't be done, it is simply ignored. The same way historians like Johannes Messenius (1579–1636) are imprisoned in their time and ridiculed in our time.
Many many european sagas consist of women and men with a Finn as their name or is a part of their name - these are ignored all the same my academy. All of this makes sense in the face of the fact that ''swedish'' royal families have wiped away their history and their familytrees don't reach further than (if I remember right) 13th century - they were ''finns'', and Finland-based ''swedish'' royal families (which happen to be the oldest ones out there, for example the Horn-family) have been there for a long time, besides the southern part of Finland which seems to have been completely decimated (somewhere around the battle of Hastings) before the so-claimed crusades had reached Finland in the 13th century. All of this confusion and destruction of the knowledge of the past has come about only lately and it has gotten worse and worse after the French revolution.