The 12 Commandments of Moses and Frya's Tex

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The 12 Commandments of Moses and Frya's Tex

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While I just joined the forum and my schedule is not quite open enough to arrange big writings here just yet, I want to talk about one essential thing, and try to not rush it. What makes the whole thing weird is that first, considering Bock saga (please check out my introductory Topic), I was curious why would Moses write 10 commandments when ''she'' was an aser, and 10 is in fact an van-number (all public sources considering this subject are lacking english translations, sorry). Number 12 is an aser number. Let me explain just a bit so you might get the picture. I'll eventually touch Frya's Tex as we go. So, according to Bock saga:

... there were 3 arctic races with white skin, yellow hair, blue or green eyes: the family of Fin, Sven and Dan (Source: http://iorbock.com/artikkelit/haastattelu-2010-09-05/). 12 -> 1+2 = 3. I'm myself comfortable using the name ''Piru'' (=Devil, in finnish) or Väinämöinen instead of Fin for clearance, but that's what is mentioned on this particular interview. And...
... there were 10 tropical races, that had dark skin, dark eyes, dark hair, but interestingly only 3 of them are known by name: Piking, Narkassul and Sultan (The source is the same as previous), because no information has come from, for example, America, what was actually called by the name India.

If we count all familymemebers of Piru together, 12 brothers, 7 sisters, Allfather and Allmother together, we get 21, so once again, 2+1 = 3. Svan is going to join the family, but she's not an aser, she's an s-van, swan. S means Solen, which might be his husband, Sol Bocken Balder, Lemminkäinen, the future Allfather, and after this Svan becomes the next Allmother.

Ior told that when his 2 sisters were teaching him the saga for 20 years, 2 hours each day, they spoke their first language, rut-language, and when there were years when two first numbers made a 10, they spoke van through that year, for example: year 1964 in those times would have meant that because 6+4=10 Ior and his sisters spoke van through the whole year 2 hours a day. Ior has said, that his family has paid attention to numbers, whatever that means (Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePKVnvoX4r4&t=2547s)

So taking all of this into an account, why did Moses, who was an aser woman, make 10 commandements, even when this phrasing in itself refers to the dark-skinned van people? I think I have an answer to this.

First of, lets look at the facts we have over here. In hebrew, interestingly, 10 commandments is phrased ''Aseret HaDibrot'' (Source: https://bje.org.au/knowledge-centre/bas ... mandments/) It clearly has the word aseret in it: Aser-et - et or ät means a family or one branch of a tree in rut. Hadibrot could mean anything, but I could guess har pratat, meaning ''(they) have spoken'', so as a whole: the family of aser has spoken, or, spoken by the family of aser. It gets weirder: Aseret means ''10'' in hebrew. This is very similar to the name of the homeplace of Jesus: Nazareth. But like I already mentioned, ''HaDibrot'' could mean anything else that I just mentioned (''Ha-Di-brot'', Di means to drink).

And now, finally, lets look at the actual commandments. Here's some quotes from one blog I found:

''I am not quite sure how we arrived at there being 10 commandments. The text I use to study has no paragraph, chapter, or verse breaks – only sentences. I think that is how the original Hebrew text is written.
That being the case, I counted 11 times where God said, “you shall not” and one time where there was a clear affirmative command (honoring your parents).
Here is the list of the commandments:
1. You shall have no other gods before me
2. You shall not make for yourself an idol
3. You shall not bow down to them or worship them
4. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the LORD your God
5. You shall not do any work (on the seventh day)
6. Honor your father and mother
7. You shall not murder
8. You shall not commit adultery
9. You shall not steal
10. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
11. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house
12. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife''
...
A popular image of the “Ten Commandments” is Moses up on the mountain as God chisels them out of rock with lightning or something awesome like that.
In Exodus 20, that is NOT how it happens.
All the people are gathered together and God begins to speak out of the cloud. They all hear it. Everyone receives this message. And there are no tablets.
That is important.
These commands were meant to be given to the entire Israelite community. No one has secret information or a one-up on anyone else. Not even Moses. This is for everyone. No one can make an excuse that they didn’t hear.''
(Source: https://thewholedangthing.wordpress.com ... mandments/)

We might use this as a reference point: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Com ... traditions

I don't need to elaborate further with this part, but before we go on, have a look at these multiple artworks of Moses represented with horns: http://neuroclusterbrain.com/moses_with_horns.html

So where do we go from here. It just so happened when I found out about all of this, I actually started to compare Frya's Tex (FT) and its' 12 laws (OL 012-014) alongside with these ''12 commandments of Moses'' side by side, and refering to the 12 laws listed above by a number, in the end, to make it easier to browse, and using the latest OL translation by Jan Ott (and you are free to do futher research on your own) - so just to finish of this writing, here we go:

1. When great is the need, and good counsel and good deed have proven futile, then call upon the spirit of Wralda (1. ?), but you must not call upon him before everything has been tried, (4.) ...

2. To Wralda’s spirit alone should the knee be bent in gratitude, (3., but also relates to 1.) ...

3. You have seen how readily I lent help (≈work?). Do the same for your kinsmen, (5.) ...

4. Never accept obeisance from your kinsmen (3. ''You shall not worship them''. Also 5.), for such is due alone to Wralda’s spirit (2. and 3.). ...
... (and) my maidens would accuse you of stealing (9.) [the honour] of Father (6. Browse down to see the 12. law of FT).

5. ... (Therefore,) I advise you to choose righteous men (The theme fits the structure: 7.-12.) who fairly divide the labor and its fruits, so that no man is free from work or defense (5.).

6. If anyone is found among you who sells his own freedom, he is not of your folk. ... I advise you to expel him and his mother (11. and 12. Expel (out of house) and mother (meaning the wife of the father)?) ...

7. Anyone who robs another of his freedom, even if the other were in debt to him (9. and 11.),

I would parade with collar and leash like a slave girl, though I advise you to burn his corpse (≈ house, where the soul lives in?) and that of his mother in a barren place (Once again, 11. and 12.).

Thereafter, bury their ashes fifty feet deep, so not a single blade of grass may grow upon them. For such grass would kill your most precious animals (9.).

8. Do not attack either the folk of Lyda or of Finda. Wralda would help them, so that your violence would return upon your own heads (7.).

9. If it were to happen that they sought your counsel, or anything else, you ought to help them. But if they come to rob, then fall upon them like radiant fire (9. and 11.).

10. If one among them desires to marry one of your daughters, and she consents to it, you shall explain her folly to her (8. and 12. Adultery relates to the concept of marriage). ...

11. (The same as previous, 8. and 12.)

12. Upon my maid Festa, I have fastened my hope. Therefore, you must make her your honored mother. (6. Browse up to the 4. law of FT)

So, was Frya actually Moses, or the other way around? Just to clarify, this is all about the way old texts have been copied and copied again and again and how we would go and interpret the process of translations of the past times. I mainly wanted to pay special attention to the useage of specific words, so of course it can't be the same word-for-word. For the end, continuing where I stopped just a bit:

If you follow my advice, then she will remain my maid, along with all devout maidens who follow her (12. And 8.?)

Thank you for reading.
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Re: The 12 Commandments of Moses and Frya's Tex

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PýrKlépsas wrote: 02 Jan 2023, 22:24

And now, finally, lets look at the actual commandments. Here's some quotes from one blog I found:

''I am not quite sure how we arrived at there being 10 commandments. The text I use to study has no paragraph, chapter, or verse breaks – only sentences. I think that is how the original Hebrew text is written.
That being the case, I counted 11 times where God said, “you shall not” and one time where there was a clear affirmative command (honoring your parents).
Here is the list of the commandments:
1. You shall have no other gods before me
2. You shall not make for yourself an idol
3. You shall not bow down to them or worship them
4. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the LORD your God
5. You shall not do any work (on the seventh day)
6. Honor your father and mother
7. You shall not murder
8. You shall not commit adultery
9. You shall not steal
10. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
11. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house
12. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife''
...
And God spoke all these words:"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.You shall have no other gods before me.You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.You shall not murder.You shall not commit adultery.You shall not steal.You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

There seem to be 12 "shall and shall-nots", though that is besides the "remember" and "honour"
1.No polytheism.
2.No idol-making.
3. No bowing to idols.
4.No vain oathmaking.
?Remember sabbath?
5.Work 6 days
6.But not on the seventh.
?Honour mom and dad?
7.No murdering.
8.No adulterating.
9.No theiving.
10.No perjuring.
11.No wishing to take immovable property from another.
12.No wishing to take movable property from another.
Brea, bûter en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk
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Re: The 12 Commandments of Moses and Frya's Tex

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A comparable 9 point Buddhist Aryan ("Ariyan") superman code of good life is:
1. He 1 is incapable of deliberately depriving a living creature of life.
2. He is incapable of taking what is not given so that it constitutes theft.
3. He is incapable of sexual impurity.
4. He is incapable of deliberately telling lies.
5. He is incapable of laying up treasure for indulgence in worldly pleasure as he used to do in the life of the house.
6. He is incapable of taking a wrong course through partiality.
7. He is incapable of taking a wrong course through hate.
8. He is incapable of taking a wrong course through stupidity.
9. He is incapable of taking a wrong course through fear. [source: Dīgha Nikāya]
1st point may refer to vegetarianism. In addition, Buddha was not a gamer (very much unlike Vikings, Finns, Egyptians, Romans etc who excelled in it). Here's for comparison the Egyptian code of good life:
I have not impoverished the divine herd (people); I have committed no crime in place of What is Right;
I have not known (explored) nothingness; I have not done any evil
I have not made a daily start in labours over what I did (previously);
My name has not reached the office of director of servants;
I have not orphaned the orphan of his goods;
I have not done the abomination of the gods;
I have not slighted a servant to his master;
I have not caused affliction; I have not caused hunger; I have not caused grief; I have not killed;
I have not harmed the offering-cattle; I have not caused pain for anyone;
I have not reduced the offerings in the temples;
I have not harmed the offering-loaves of the gods;
I have not taken the festival-loaves of the blessed dead;
I have not penetrated the penetrater of a penetrater; I have not masturbated; [yet look here]
I have not reduced the measuring-vessel, I have not reduced the measuring cord;
I have not encroached on the fields; I have not added to the pan of the scales;
I have not tampered with the plumb bob of the scales;
I have not taken milk from the mouths of babes;
I have not concealed herds from their pastures;
I have not snared birds in the thickets (?) of the gods;
I have not caught fish in their pools;
I have not held back water in its time;
I have not dammed a dam at rapid waters;
I have not put out the fire in its moment;
I have not transgressed the days concerning meat offerings;
I have not turned back cattle from the property of a god;
I have not blocked a god in his processions
[source: Book of the Dead, ch. or spell 125.]
The female Moses thing was apparently very well known in antiquity and medieval era, as shown by the Moso reference in Suda and its original source, one of the most important Greek historians of his own day. The Bock family saga version adds that the woman was an Asynjor women called 'Mother said' (Morse) from Fennoscandia and that the Jews were eastern immigrants to the Middle East region (agreeing here with Manetho and Chaeremon). As the simple name Morse or 'Mother said' is a full similar story in Chaeremon's Egyptian version, where the mother goddess Isis commands pharaoh to send Jews out of Egypt, it's not a stretch to ask if also a name like Aseret Hadibrot embeds in similar way a whole story in it.
The various Moses story versions.
The various Moses story versions.
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The similarities to OL include the guidelines to good moral life, but also the OL MS 074-075, 123 references to the Red Sea situation that reminds of the Red Sea episode in Biblical Moses story. In the Bock family saga version of Moses/Morse there is no such Red Sea episode.
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