3 wins for neolithic huntergatherer

[Kraftr]

1)Huntergatherers were more healthy then farmerculture (who are depicted as progress in school)

2)this man proves we have a wrong understanding of huntergatherer farming


Philip Forrer présente; "Le Jardin du Graal"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jk0h1laL-0



3)DNA shows Yamnaya invasion is not as thought, neolithic Germans were not replaced by them.

The Genetic Melting Pot of Europe… Corded Ware Culture DNA Revealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNMWEXzHfDA

[Er Aldaric]

The third point on here is the most important. As the Oera Linda book gets more and more attention, its greatest adversary will be the 'melting pot' theory of ancient Europe. When I speak to others about the OL the fact that it doesn't line up with academia's current reconstruction is immediate grounds for dismissal in their view. Even those in 'alternative' spheres cannot recognize how subversive this idea of an ancient melting pot is - with articles from NatGeo called 'Ancient Europe was a melting pot from the start' and 'The New Europeans: how waves of immigrants are reshaping a continent' right next to each other on the shelf.

I don't think people realize how early we are in the early days of DNA studies and we actually don't have it all figured out. There are people like Thomas Rowsell (Survive the Jive on YT) who worship at the altar of indo-Europeans, and his holy book is whatever new study that comes out. This exactly why a primary source like the OL is so important. In a future where it is accepted, anthropologists can use it as a solid reference point from that time.

It's funny how the indo-European hypothesis was initially dismissed as Prussian fantasy and a longing for a greater past until linguistic and archeological evidence eventually proved it. Until the end of WWII and science concerning race was prohibited and anthropology went from physical to cultural, the depictions and reconstructions painted of the aryans were of a 'nordic' strain and 'civilizers' and morphed into something unrecognizable. Now the aryan is a nomad cow-farming asiatic horse warrior.

How Cro-Magnon from ~20k years ago (ancestor to 'WHG') depicted themselves:

[Coco]

The term "Indo-European" offers no explanatory value and serves as a distraction. Only the etymological dictionaries are useful in Oera Linda research. To the best of my knowledge, no one has deciphered the origin of the Romans and the Latin language using the Oera Linda Book as key evidence. In 1830, Ernst Jäkel demonstrated in Der germanische Urspung der lateinischen Sprache that the majority of the Latin vocabulary can be traced back to Old German. However, in light of the OLB, it is more accurate to assert that Latin and Old German share a common ancestor in Fryas.

The Trojans, believed to be the ancestors of the Romans, are thought to have interacted with Greek and Slavic populations, resulting in significant cultural influences. This can be seen in the strong parallels between Latin and Slavic grammar, including highly inflected verbs and nouns, and the numerous Greek loanwords that have been incorporated into Latin. In the Iliad, the Trojans are depicted as a noble and just people, held in high esteem by their allies and adversaries alike. In contrast, the Greeks (Achaeans) are characterized as envious and prone to petty rivalries. The depiction of the Trojans aligns with the character of the Fryas.

[Nordic]

Good image find El Aldaric, had not seen that before. The August and Ermanaric name theories based on OL are fascinating.

The Italy case is intriguing. On one hand it's one of the Mediterranean locales inhabited by peoples native to those regions. But then we have the Sea Peoples in close vicinity that make appearance also in Levant, the Finnish tale of stone age Mediterranean Rasul peoples and early Egyptians (is that the Rasenna or Etruscan peoples?), the Frisian era, the Trojan era, the Greek era, the Roman competition against Phoenicians era and then the classical all-conquering imperium sine fine and Iupiter Optimus Maximus (I.O.M. or 'god') era that conquered at one time even the Frisian heartlands and ends up giving us the Roman Christian church. Then we have the Celts of Cisalpine Gauls of northern Italy and the stories of Phoenician Hannibal attacking Romans from northern direction with an army of Celtic soldiers.

In all of this, surely the Frisian (read: Germanic) episode must be quite archaic. Like, Goths of Jordanes long, long before anyone has heard of Lombards. Or even 2000 BC at the beginning of OL chronology, where the movements of various peoples are mentioned and how many Frisian lands are said in the most generic and vague manner to have been lost. That is a good contrast to OL Greece (far Greek lands), as it's inhabitation by Frisians, Finns (Toroni as Thyr's burg) at 2000 BC and then the later Frisian cultural founding of Athens, are described in much detail.

Whereas the 'near-Greece' or Italy doesn't even have a proper name to it (Ott notes that the Frisian name may be due from the Greek period of Italy) and its Frisian history is glossed over as something very generic aside the Troy mention (see more here on dating the Trojans). Hittites with their blue eyes and blonde golden haired sphinxes may also be some sort of reminder from those early Gothic ("Gutian"?) and Frisian days in Mediterranean area (link). Of sea peoples the Tyrrhenian Tiras/Teresh/Tursha (link, another link) may be the same as Old Norse þurs 'giant' and corresponding Finnish turilas, like the one in Fornjót 'ancient/eternal-giant' lineage (deified king þorri) that is the THÍR in OL in whose name a castle fort was founded in eastern Greece (the ancient harbour of Toroni).

Edit: off the coast of Toroni, is the Tyrrhenian island of Lemnos and from there (link) is found this seeming mixture language of Germanic and Finnic. E.g. the Germanic neef 'nephew' as "naφoθ" and the occasional Finnic ~lle or ~le dative suffix case as "Φukiasi-ale" 'for the Phocaean' (cf. Finnish Φukiasille 'for the Phocaean') and vuosi 'year' as "avis". Highly interesting in light of OL narrative on ancient Mediterraneans!

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[Coco]

The Oera Linda Book states that a significant migration of Fryas to "Lydasland," which corresponds to the Anatolian region, took place. Given the proximity of the Trojan ruins to the northwestern tip of Anatolia, it is plausible to hypothesize that the Frya migrants established Troy. This led to the emergence of the Trojans, as depicted in the Epic Cycle and Oera Linda Book. Alternatively, the foundation of Troy might have been undertaken by a segment of the population of Nef-Tunis, as the appellation "Troy" can be traced back to the name THÍR: THÍRJA → THÍROJA → THROJA → TROJA/TRÔJE. The proximity of Troy to the Bosphorus Strait also suggests a potential connection to THRVCH, particularly through the -JA suffix: THRVCHJA → THRVJA → TRVJA → TROJA.

The Trojan War can be understood as the ignition of a long-standing dry forest; the Greeks sought to destroy the Trojans and required a justification for war. In the Iliad, Helen's escape (or purported abduction) to Troy served as the catalyst for the war, but it is plausible that other, more mundane reasons underlie the conflict. This is, of course, speculation, but one hypothesis posits that the Greeks' envy of the Trojans' superiority played a role. Alternatively, following the expulsion of the Geartmen by the Greek priests and princes, they directed their animosity toward their cousins, the Trojans.

The Trojans may help solve another puzzle, which is the presence of Latin names in the OLB. For example, the Fryas write ALEXANDER (Latin Alexander), not *ALEXANDROS (Greek Ᾰ̓λέξᾰνδρος, Aléxandros). They write JES.US (Latin Jēsūs), not *JES.OS/JES.OUS (Greek Ἰησοῦς, Iēsoûs). They write many other names with -US/-VS, like PHONISIVS, NÉARCHUS, ÛLYSUS, ANTIGONUS, PTHOLEMÉUS, DEMÉTRIUS. In most of these cases, the Romans were only a minor power in Italy. It is possible that the past traces of Trojan, which would have looked similar to Latin and Greek, have been destroyed or "Greek-washed," in the same way that all Frya inscriptions have been destroyed. Thus, theoretically, the OLB records these names in their original Trojan spelling, which would imply that Trojan was a prominent language in antiquity and widely spoken even in Greece; it enjoyed the same prestige in Ancient Greece as it later enjoyed in Europe and still does to this day.

[Kraftr]

so I derive from this that Thracian, Greek, Macedonian, 'Northling', Ostrogoth, Phoenician, Phrigian, Etruskans, Sicillians,, Tyrrians were different Frya-, Finda- and syrian/arab- mixes, highly Germanic/NHG european still in organisation and culture, and felt some kinship. Explaining why Greek writers would have given a 'pars pro toto' name to adversaries. I notice that the ragtag association of the seapeoples is much like germanic tribes would pull together for wars, and they were seafaring, mercantile and citystates. Many tribes also on mainland had splitoffs going everywhere, like Suebi and Vandals, which also explains diverse (re)mixing throughout of NHG Germanic/Gothic, Yamna(Finnic/Scythian/Ostrogoth, Anatolian(old Fryan) and Iranian. In a much more difuse manner than the official narrative of large invasion replacement events, to call back to my original post.

[Coco]

Laurent Guyénot's book Anno Domini makes use of the ancient historians Strabo and Herodian, who stated that the Romans (Trojans) were of Greek and Phrygian origin. Guyénot proposes that the Dacians, also referred to as the Getae, were in fact the Goths, and that they established Byzanz, subsequently renamed Constantinople. The Romans are closely related to the Dacians.

In addressing the Sea Peoples, Alewyn J. Raubenheimer's Chronicles From Pre-Celtic Europe posits that these raiders were in fact the Ionian Islands' inhabitants, who were descendants of Jon's people. During Minerva's and Jon's escape to Greece, a group of pirates from Tyre captured one of their ships, leading Jon to seek retribution against the Tyrians. Over time, the Ionians engaged in raids on other ships and occasionally served as mercenaries.

A parallel explanation can be posited for the Vikings. Following the devastation of the west coast of Europe by a natural disaster in 306 BC, as documented by Frethorik, the Norse resorted to piracy to fund the reconstruction of the southern regions. What initially began as a hasty solution to an urgent situation ultimately evolved into a long-standing profession, much akin to the trajectory of Jon's sailors. Later, the Vikings emerged as the Varangian Guard in Constantinople, in similar fashion to how Jon's sailors occasionally served as mercenaries. Contemporary historians contend that the Norse transitioned to piracy spontaneously, driven by a desire for adventure or a sense of ennui.

[Helgiteut]

As the Frya's had store houses for grains, it wouldn't seem right to call them Hunter Gatherers.

[Kraftr]

As the Frya's had store houses for grains, it wouldn't seem right to call them Hunter Gatherers.

yes this is part of what my post was about; that one of our old genetic strains is being called huntergatherer is misleading our perception, and plays into the whole depiction of older Europeans as primitive cavemen. Note that Viking raiding and many other events are also called barbarian. If you question these pejoratives it helps to get a much more realistic paradigm of history.

[Helgiteut]

I see now. I did like the video, We would call it permaculture in the english-speaking world.