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Please nobody be confused when I keep putting new subjects out when I have promised to answer some questions in previous posts. These new posts have a lot to do with the translation process and understanding the OL MS.
Not mandatory, but refore reading my post consider reading this first:
https://fryskednis.blogspot.com/2012/07 ... b.html?m=0
I try to point out that 'spirit' may be a bit more tricky subject to approach within the frya's world view that we may have first expected. Lets start with the following:
B. Liko Ovira Linda: Dear heirs, For our beloved ancestors’ sake, and for the sake of our precious freedom, a thousand times I beg you — dearest — to never let the eyes of a monk pass over these writings. (PÁPE.KAPPE)
Note: Finnish
poppamies, ''witch doctor''(-man) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poppamies
pappi, ''priest'' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pappi#Finnish
Read for more: https://fryskednis.blogspot.com/2012/09 ... e.html?m=0
4f. Minerva: Once, when a plague had come over the land, they came with a crowd of people, and said: “We are all making offerings to the gods, so that they might ward off the plague. Will you not help us to calm their wrath, or did you yourself bring the plague over the land with your arts?”
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They erected statues of her (Hellenia) on their altars, or sold them to the simple people.
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They (maidens) were also used as counselors, but that counsel only seemed to come from their own lips, as in reality they were nothing but the mouthpiece through which the priests promulgated their own desires.
8a. Magyars and Finns: This folk (Finns) was not wild like many of Finda’s tribes, but similar to the Egyptians. They have priests like them, and now they have temples,* idols as well. The priests are the only masters — they call themselves Magyars. ... They are not to be envied, for they are slaves of the priests and, worse still, of their beliefs. They believe that evil spirits are everywhere and enter into people and animals, but of Wralda’s spirit they know nothing. ... The Magyars claim that they can ban and banish the evil spirits. The Finns are constantly in fear because of this, and their faces never show signs of joy. (FVL ... GÁSTON, ÀRGE GÁSTON)
13f. Primal Teachings 2: But these vain, false men, who allow themselves to be called God’s servants or priests, claim and collect and receive everything on behalf of the divinities that do not exist, to keep it for themselves. ... If there are any who see through their tricks and try to expose them, these are caught by their henchmen and burnt for their heresy — always with solemn ceremonies, in honor of their false divinities — but in truth, it is only to protect the priesthood.
14g. Faults of the Brokmen: When someone (of the Ionians) makes an image of a dead person and it shows a good likeness, they believe that the spirit of the departed resides in it. ... Therefore they hide all images of Frya, Festa, Medea, Thiania, Hellenia, and many others. ... They persistently believe in evil spirits, witches, sorcerers, little forest men, and elves — as if they stemmed from the Finns. (BOSA GÁSTA)
15e. Gosa’s Will: (A bad time has passed by, but another approaches. Earth did not bear it and Wralda did not create it; it comes from the East, from the bosom of the priests. It will breed so much suffering that Earth cannot drink all the blood of her slain children.) It will spread darkness over the spirit of mankind, like thunderclouds over sunlight. (IN.OVERNE GÁST THÉRA MÀNNISKA)
Note:
Over the ... mankind, similar in concept like (?):
A. Hidde Oera Linda: Hidde, surnamed Oera Linda. Watch!
9c. Kelta and the Gools: (Kelta:) ''If you wish to be free again, and live under my counsel and care, then march forth! Weapons you shall have, and I shall watch over you.” (WÁKA O.ER THI)
12. Adelbrost: Intrigues and Division: My folk elected me to be reeve over the Linde regions.
etc.
Lets go deeper. Rrefering to thunderclouds, as in:
2e. Frya was White: ... Then, finally, thunder spoke from the clouds and lightning wrote upon the firmament: “Watch!''
11b. Death of Frana: We do not seek revenge, for time shall take that. But, a thousand thousand times we repeat Frya’s call: “Watch! Watch! Watch!”
(The sound of thunder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-BOPr7NXME)
15e. Gosa’s Will: ... over the spirit of mankind like thunderclouds over sunlight. (See above)
19c. Reintia’s Dream: Wralda, she said, had signaled to her by thunder that all Frya’s folk must become friends, united as sisters and brothers,** or else Finda’s folk would come and wipe them all off the face of the earth.
See more: https://fryskednis.blogspot.com/2021/10 ... r.html?m=0
Thunder seems to be central concept in OL MS. We can also see from above (15e.), that the mankind has a spirit, and that it get swallowed by darkness, even though many times in OL: GÁST, spirit, seems to relate to Wralda.
So what if... ↓
Compare GÁST or GÁSTON:
GIST
From Old French gist, third person singular indicative of the verb gesir (“to lie down”), from Latin iaceō. From such Law French phrases as cest action gist, "this action lies." Compare French gésir (conjugated form gît) or gîte (“lodging”).
Noun
- The most essential part; the main idea or substance (of a longer or more complicated matter); the crux of a matter; the pith.
- (law, dated) The essential ground for action in a suit, without which there is no cause of action.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gist#English
GESTURE
From Medieval Latin gestūra (“a mode of action”), from Latin gerō (“to bear; (reflexive) bear oneself, behave, act”), past participle gestus.
Noun
- A motion of the limbs or body, especially one made to emphasize speech.
- An act or a remark that serves as a formality or as a sign of attitude.
- (obsolete) The manner of carrying the body; position of the body or limbs; posture.***
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gesture#English
Also, lets compare these parts side by side:
2b. Our Primal History: They received Wralda’s od (see below) into them, ... (WR.ALDA.S OD TRÀD TO RA BINNA.)
2f. Frya’s Tex: 1. When great is the need, and good counsel and good deed have proven futile, then call upon the
spirit of Wralda.
2f. Frya’s Tex: 4. Never accept obeisance from your kinsmen, for such is due alone to Wralda’s spirit.
OD, relating to (?):
odla, ''to plant'' https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/odla#Swedish
o(r)der (''r'' is silent), ''to command'' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/order#English
öde, ''fate/destiny'' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/öde#Noun
Please, concerning ''odla'', see also my earlier writing before proceeding: viewtopic.php?t=51
(CHANGE or EXCHANGE & GROW like GRAINS?)
So could it be possible that GÁST and OD relate to way of behaving, for mankind seems to have a spirit, which is 'sown' by Wralda (OD?) and may relate to behavior, similar in concept like the words WAXA (child 'grows') and WAXATH ('grain' grows)?
Also, compare GÁST and GÁ (meaning: go, begin, proceed to).
Read for more: https://fryskednis.blogspot.com/2019/05 ... a.html?m=0
This world-view is enforced further with the following:
16e. Gosa: Purity of Language: In their wickedness, they have invented different languages, so as to be able to speak secretly in the presence of others about all evil things and about all unworthy things, without a stammer betraying them or a blush tainting their faces.
So what was born of that?
Just as the seed of good herbs germinates under the ground when openly sown by good men in the bright of day, so time brings to light the harmful herbs that were sown by evil men in secret and in darkness.
2b. Our Primal History: Earth bore all grasses, herbs, and trees; all cherished creatures and all dreaded creatures. All that is good and dear, she brought forth by day, and all that is evil and fearsome brought she forth by night.
Above, we can see that the harmful herbs are used as a sort of metaphor for the results of evil ways, like an seed of evil, as something evil as a nature, and note the following:
2b. Our Primal History: They received Wralda’s od into them, ...
2c. Lyda was Black: Mysterious Lyda! She cared not for laws. Her deeds were driven by her passions.
2d. Finda was Yellow: Unscrupulous Finda! She wrote thousands of laws, but she upheld none of them.
4d. About Laws: (Minno:) Over many lands and seas have I traveled, and after all that I have seen, I am convinced that we alone are privileged by Allfeeder to have laws. (Compared to Lydas and Findas)
I don't have to write it down. You'll be able to read between the lines.
Finda and Finna way of behaving is a contrast to the alleged way of Fryas, and the parts describing Finnas (8a., see up above) pointing out that they think there are evil spirits everywhere - this would instead translate in the ways of ''they think the world is evil'' and this way feel discomfort due to the manipulative fearmongering of the MAGÍ, and what one would consider 'the usual' idolatry (4f., see up above) is actually a phenoma that came up much later (Refering to 14g., see up above). Saying later, also because:
8a. Magyars and Finns: This folk (Finns) was not wild like many of Finda’s tribes, but similar to the Egyptians. They have priests like them, and now they have temples, idols as well.
So, as the black on white insists, for Finns 'was' and later is 'now', implying that the the temples and idols came later, and what we know of early Finnas is that they believed in 'evil spirits', as translated by Jan Ott, and what is later mentioned is that they held gods or divinities also:
8d. Tunis and the Tyrians: Týr (THÍR.) was the name of one of their (Finna's) gods, ...
But I do have to note that ''bad spirits'' may be due to the way MAGÍ kept Finnas under his order:
8a. Magyars and Finns: They (Finnas) believe that evil spirits are everywhere and enter into people and animals, ... . ... The Magyars claim that they can ban and banish the evil spirits.
So it is up to you, did Finnas believe in ''evil spirits'' due to MAGÍ or did MAGÍ only claim that he could banish the evil spirits?
Point being if translating the word GÁST to 'spirit' is the right way or not! Some things are left unclear because the writing is a mix of past and present in the time of making the inscription, which may include a mix of attitudes of the both time periods. The OL MS shows that later on the attitudes towards Finnas become much more hostile.
This way, I think we can see better inside the idology of OL MS, meaning, the way this parcitular manuscript is written down.
The word 'WÁK' is going to demand a separate post of its own and I try to add it here when the time comes.
Thank you for reading. Please post a question if my writing style is lacking clarity.
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* Note: 10b. Athenia: Miscegenation and Decadence: But as some bastardized townsmen had been enriched by our seafaring and by the silver that their slaves gathered in the silver mines, they went to live out on the hills or in the valleys. There, behind high walls of leaf or stone, they built richly furnished mansions. And in order to be held in high esteem by the vile priests, they placed in them statues representing false gods and unchaste statues. (Richly furnished mansions with statues = temples?)
** Specifically meaning, having one leader over all, who would rule over them? Note: 16e. Gosa: Purity of Language: ... If they had only invented one language, things might yet have gone well. But they contrived as many languages as there are states, ...
*** Note: 16e. Gosa: Purity of Language: As he (Wralda) knew that luck and happiness must flee from Earth when malice can deceive virtue, he attached an equitable property to this language. This property consists of the impossibility to tell lies or speak deceptive words without stammering or blushing, by which means the evil-hearted can instantly be identified.
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