A possible Celtic reflection of OL Germanic Lyda, Finda and Frya survives in Celtic Áine. This finding requires knowing that Aino, of the male-female Sampo and Aino, or Frei and Freia, pair exists. This realisation became possible only after 1984, when the Aino name for that character was first time recorded down into archives.
Áine = Frya, or Freia-Aino aka Freyja
Aillen = Lyda (letter L features in both)
Fennen = Finda.
Áine's father figure, the all-father Ollathair Dagda associates with all-father Alfǫðr Odin. His female companion Morrigan with Odin's crow and valkyrias. In Finland-Swedish Bock saga the figure corresponding to Wralda (veraldar goð Freyr) would be Frei of Odenmaa land, or even theologically Oden the sun in sky (as Frei and Freia are first humans and their birth is one odenting). Old Norse language reflection of this is the Fennoscandian holy land of Ódáinsakr. As Swedish and Finland-Swedish spelling Oden (warlord god, sun) is the same name as western European Odin (warlord god), this shows us how the Celtic replacement of original Freyr figure by an Odinic figure could have come about.
This seems to suggest both the Bock saga (Freia-Aino) and Oera Linda book (Lyda, Finda, Frya) are genuine old European beliefs as to this element. Thanks go to a Telegram writer, who pointed out the existence of goddess Áine to us.
Edit: a possible source for this Celtic usage of Finnish language is the depiction of Kelta studying under the Finnish leadership (who would have claimed origins from Sampo/Sampsa Pellervoinen and Aino, or Frei and Freia). That OL Kelta segment survived into Celtic lore as the "Tuatha De Danand". Dagda and Áine are of this very same Tuatha De Danand stock.
Lyda, Finda and Frya in Celtic lore
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Re: Lyda, Finda and Frya in Celtic lore
I found this thread in the “unanswered topics” section of the menu. Your posts are much appreciated, Nordic.
I have two main reflections and a brief summarization.
One
I’ve been led to find how certain entities, as beings or human species, are referred to exist in certain states of conscious externalized, such as Tír na nÓg, the land of youth.
The Dagda supposedly ran his Tuath, kingdom or tribe, from the Isle of Mann. His supposed entry into the Earth was by way of magic mist.
This may have occurred during his lifetime, and, or, continued as his own expression of self beyond his day and age, since the land of youth or otherworld, is supposed to prevent aging and all agony.
We know similar “worlds” or zones of consciousness are apparently three dimensionally accessible.
In the sagas it is said to be as such, like Midgard, obviously, and Asgard less tangibly.
To wit, ancestral deities are often, actually, men of different species or races. Take the ancestral deity of the Scythian for example, Targitaos or Scythes, presumably the predominate leader of the “original” Scythians and an equivalent to the Greek’s Herekles.
(Final statements of One edited in) To boot, Herekles and his trials parallel the trials of the sons of Tuireann —Brian, Iuchar and Iucharba.
These three men, in the Book of Tephi, described as Canaanites, killed Lugh’s father, Cian, and had to complete tasks around all of Europe and the Mediterranean to pay Cian’s “honor price” and eventually died as a result themselves.
Whether Lugh is the same Lugh of the Tuath Dé, or Lugh Mac Íth, a grand uncle to the Sons of Mil, or, the same being, is up for debate.
I suggest Lugh may be both historical to the Tuatha Dé, and Lugh Mac Íth as well, and this is a critical aspect of deciphering the historical truth of the 3,600+ year history of the Gael.
What isn’t up for debate, or at least to a lesser extent, is how a grandson, or was it great-grandson? Of Niall was killed by remnants of the Tuatha Dé Danann in the generations after Niall’s death.
Supposedly, 50+ generations after the Scythian Milesian conquest of Ireland, these Tuath Dé held animosity for what happened to their ancestors, or themselves, and they, men and women of the tribe, killed Niall’s descendent while he was riding away from his steading alone on horseback, with spears.
Two
These three women are described like so:
So, these women are famous, yet their undoing masks their own fame. The Milesians, Scythian nomadic warriors responsible for the colonizing of Iberia and the conquering of Ireland, and technically, Scotland, due to the great kinship between the “Scots” of Ireland and the “Scots” of Scotland, are actually self described to be “Gaels”.
Within the Contention of the Bards, among many, many other “Irish” sources, they are said to be the Gaidheal. This translates to “Gael”, and there are a few spellings, however it’s apparent how a modern “Celtic” people, such as the Irish and Scots, even Welsh, are actually perceived incorrectly from their Gaelic roots.
So to say, a Kelt, or Celt, in any modern or contemporary reference of antiquity, would be of a different caste. Intuitively, a mainland Kelt, of western to Central Europe, not quite a Mediterranean or Scandinavian phenotype, would constitute a significant change from a Gael, and potentially share commonality due to expected contact that is recorded.
The Tuath Dé, or Tuatha Dé Danann, themselves are numerously described to originate in modern Iran, or Greece, and their travels are said to have originated among the Germanic or Nordic lost four cities, depending on your sourcing, yet this may extend a long way between these places traversed, as opposed to confusion on where their origin sprung.
Likewise, by way of migratory activity, the Milesians, upon meeting the Tuath Dé, spoke similar language between their learned classes. This post dates the Tuath Dé’s likened interactions with the Fomorians, or Fomor, meaning men of the bags, themselves supposed mercenary and working class Scythian migrators who landed in Greece prior to remigration.
Response Summarization
So the Scythian, and all peoples of these similar stocks, the Milesians, Tuath Dé, Fomorians, and other contemporary tribes, have a history that is very similar constituting some 6,000-7,000 years. Their women are fair, and men are noble, but not likened to scholarly activity by modern sources due to the “barbarian” cultural norms that are quite honestly probably projected upon them.
What is missing are the learned classes, such as Druids and Poets, interconnected by Judges and Seers, who wrote the histories of their migrations, albeit in almost tattered remains such as Oera Linda and unreadable old Irish. The Gael is said to have wandered hundred of years through Scythia, Greece, and the Mediterranean before its colonizing Ireland, and the poets state as such.
Gaelic, or Gaeilge, the Irish language, is quite literally a composition of 72 different languages of the known world at its time of construction. In my introductory post, I put forth it is the parent langauge to the three hailed languages of antiquity: Greek, Latin, and unfortunately Hebrew. Or is it fortunate?
To suggest a Scythian language is the parent of a touted language such as Hebrew is quite a point of note, especially when the point comes from claimed pseudo historical fact.
The Scythian—Milesian, and Tuath Dé’s factual accounts hold the key to unlocking gaps in modern interpretations of Oera Linda and similar texts.
This post isn’t so much linguistically represented as the OP, yet its intent is to leave the physical imagination behind with ponderous wonder — Teamhair, the Hill of Tara, was supposed to have a marble palace, amidst marble and white-stone castles all across Scotia Majorim (Ireland).
Hope this greases the wheels for refining the timelines and making ancestral language more accessible!
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I have two main reflections and a brief summarization.
One
all-father Ollathair Dagda
I’ve been led to find how certain entities, as beings or human species, are referred to exist in certain states of conscious externalized, such as Tír na nÓg, the land of youth.
The Dagda supposedly ran his Tuath, kingdom or tribe, from the Isle of Mann. His supposed entry into the Earth was by way of magic mist.
This may have occurred during his lifetime, and, or, continued as his own expression of self beyond his day and age, since the land of youth or otherworld, is supposed to prevent aging and all agony.
We know similar “worlds” or zones of consciousness are apparently three dimensionally accessible.
In the sagas it is said to be as such, like Midgard, obviously, and Asgard less tangibly.
To wit, ancestral deities are often, actually, men of different species or races. Take the ancestral deity of the Scythian for example, Targitaos or Scythes, presumably the predominate leader of the “original” Scythians and an equivalent to the Greek’s Herekles.
(Final statements of One edited in) To boot, Herekles and his trials parallel the trials of the sons of Tuireann —Brian, Iuchar and Iucharba.
These three men, in the Book of Tephi, described as Canaanites, killed Lugh’s father, Cian, and had to complete tasks around all of Europe and the Mediterranean to pay Cian’s “honor price” and eventually died as a result themselves.
Whether Lugh is the same Lugh of the Tuath Dé, or Lugh Mac Íth, a grand uncle to the Sons of Mil, or, the same being, is up for debate.
I suggest Lugh may be both historical to the Tuatha Dé, and Lugh Mac Íth as well, and this is a critical aspect of deciphering the historical truth of the 3,600+ year history of the Gael.
What isn’t up for debate, or at least to a lesser extent, is how a grandson, or was it great-grandson? Of Niall was killed by remnants of the Tuatha Dé Danann in the generations after Niall’s death.
Supposedly, 50+ generations after the Scythian Milesian conquest of Ireland, these Tuath Dé held animosity for what happened to their ancestors, or themselves, and they, men and women of the tribe, killed Niall’s descendent while he was riding away from his steading alone on horseback, with spears.
Two
The Dagda is supposed to be the ancestor of the three “Macs” known as the husbands of Éire/Éiru, Banba, and Fodla, namely, Mac Gréine, Mac Cuill, and Mac Cecht.That OL Kelta segment survived into Celtic lore as the "Tuatha De Danand"
These three women are described like so:
Each woman was a Warrior-Queen, and died by the sword defending their kingdom. Scota, the ancestral mother of the Milesians, soon to be detailed in this post, was also a Warrior-Queen.. notably, she married her son, Érimón, after the death of Gollamh, known as Milesius, to protect the unity of the clan prior to their conquest of Ireland. Scota perished in the conquest and her fame persists.In the Banshenchas (a medieval text describing Irish women), Érie and her sisters are called a famous throng:
- clear voice of achievement
three fair daughters of Fiachra
bright women of spirited speech
fair women of the Tuatha Dé Danann
So, these women are famous, yet their undoing masks their own fame. The Milesians, Scythian nomadic warriors responsible for the colonizing of Iberia and the conquering of Ireland, and technically, Scotland, due to the great kinship between the “Scots” of Ireland and the “Scots” of Scotland, are actually self described to be “Gaels”.
Within the Contention of the Bards, among many, many other “Irish” sources, they are said to be the Gaidheal. This translates to “Gael”, and there are a few spellings, however it’s apparent how a modern “Celtic” people, such as the Irish and Scots, even Welsh, are actually perceived incorrectly from their Gaelic roots.
So to say, a Kelt, or Celt, in any modern or contemporary reference of antiquity, would be of a different caste. Intuitively, a mainland Kelt, of western to Central Europe, not quite a Mediterranean or Scandinavian phenotype, would constitute a significant change from a Gael, and potentially share commonality due to expected contact that is recorded.
The Tuath Dé, or Tuatha Dé Danann, themselves are numerously described to originate in modern Iran, or Greece, and their travels are said to have originated among the Germanic or Nordic lost four cities, depending on your sourcing, yet this may extend a long way between these places traversed, as opposed to confusion on where their origin sprung.
Likewise, by way of migratory activity, the Milesians, upon meeting the Tuath Dé, spoke similar language between their learned classes. This post dates the Tuath Dé’s likened interactions with the Fomorians, or Fomor, meaning men of the bags, themselves supposed mercenary and working class Scythian migrators who landed in Greece prior to remigration.
Response Summarization
So the Scythian, and all peoples of these similar stocks, the Milesians, Tuath Dé, Fomorians, and other contemporary tribes, have a history that is very similar constituting some 6,000-7,000 years. Their women are fair, and men are noble, but not likened to scholarly activity by modern sources due to the “barbarian” cultural norms that are quite honestly probably projected upon them.
What is missing are the learned classes, such as Druids and Poets, interconnected by Judges and Seers, who wrote the histories of their migrations, albeit in almost tattered remains such as Oera Linda and unreadable old Irish. The Gael is said to have wandered hundred of years through Scythia, Greece, and the Mediterranean before its colonizing Ireland, and the poets state as such.
Gaelic, or Gaeilge, the Irish language, is quite literally a composition of 72 different languages of the known world at its time of construction. In my introductory post, I put forth it is the parent langauge to the three hailed languages of antiquity: Greek, Latin, and unfortunately Hebrew. Or is it fortunate?
To suggest a Scythian language is the parent of a touted language such as Hebrew is quite a point of note, especially when the point comes from claimed pseudo historical fact.
The Scythian—Milesian, and Tuath Dé’s factual accounts hold the key to unlocking gaps in modern interpretations of Oera Linda and similar texts.
This post isn’t so much linguistically represented as the OP, yet its intent is to leave the physical imagination behind with ponderous wonder — Teamhair, the Hill of Tara, was supposed to have a marble palace, amidst marble and white-stone castles all across Scotia Majorim (Ireland).
Hope this greases the wheels for refining the timelines and making ancestral language more accessible!
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