Oera Linda alphabet is a real alphabet

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Above Macalister's Ogham script, that uses the same AOUEI vocal order as OL MS, can also be organised as a hornbook alphabet:
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Or if one desires the AOUEI to be at top, as in OL MS, it can be re-ordered like this (to be read from handle to top):
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The Ogham connection is interesting.

Do you have any findings with the evolved Ogham into Old Irish, Nordic?

I link some of the basic changes here, but the main fold of the Auraicept na nÉces (Scholar’s Primer) is right on the wiki page.

I’ve detailed it elsewhere, however the Gaels claim to have developed at least Latin and Greek (from other languages predecessors) while generating the original Gaelic script, and apparently Hebrew as well, hence the similarities between the Phoenician tree with Gaelic.

Fol. 170v of the Book of Ballymote (page 361) correlates each Ogham symbol with the Old Irish equivalent, and the prior page (360) scribes many Ogham variants, thereby presenting more potential connections for your research.

A point of note in the phonetics of Ogham itself is that, traditionally, Óg meant the younger (than an elder with the same name) or young warrior, essentially given as an epithet often after the first name.
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Thank you for teaching me with all those links, very fascinating stuff (also visually).
Cú Chulainn wrote: 02 Sep 2026, 17:37Do you have any findings with the evolved Ogham into Old Irish, Nordic?
No, sorry.
Cú Chulainn wrote: 02 Sep 2026, 17:37I’ve detailed it elsewhere, however the Gaels claim to have developed at least Latin and Greek (from other languages predecessors)
This makes some elementary sense if we equate the Gaels with Cisalpine Gauls (Gauls of northern Italy); the old Celts of Italy with Near Greeklands of OL MS (as an archaic branch of root Germanic peoples) and the Gauls with Galli priesthood of eastern Levant and Phoenicians in OL MS, as Herodotus claims that Greek script came from Phoenician. It's actually quite a good example of not to dismiss claims that at first may sound a bit of a stretch!
Cú Chulainn wrote: 02 Sep 2026, 17:37the prior page (360) scribes many Ogham variants
Some of the variants looks genuinely archaic. For example the concentric wedges thing, that looks like ^ , is something seen in stone age and bronze age art (even Göbekli Tepe may have some). The concentric rings looks like an old world map with stories of concentric lands and seas e.g. saying to be beyond seven seas, as seen in Babylonian Map of the World, Gotland image stones and Hindu-Buddhist world maps.

Some of the writing styles frankly look like my eyes like later echoes of original stone age writing system e.g. the ones with slashes / / / / and some look definitely more newer from medieval era.

P. 29 of 564 • f. 10 r of Book of Ballymote seems to list nations (link) and there is also Frisia in it.
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Cú Chulainn wrote: 02 Sep 2026, 17:37A point of note in the phonetics of Ogham itself is that, traditionally, Óg meant the younger (than an elder with the same name) or young warrior, essentially given as an epithet often after the first name.
Here I'm reminded of the stone age Scandinavian dynasty Ynglings (from yng 'young') with their Nóatun or 'Noah' legend - if we assume the existence of Celtic-Germanic association, as is evident from OL and the corresponding part in Lebor Gabála Érenn that talks about the Nordic countries and locales in e.g. Sweden (Muirias from Mora, Sweden), lot of these Noah's flood stories in Celtic stories suddenly have really archaic roots.
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