Gaelic Chronology

[Cú Chulainn]

After extensive research, partly expanded further by the help of what I deem to be web scraping through AI tools to pull research material (rather than solely using it to determinate substance and value of data), there is a phenomenal interaction transmitted hiterto regarding the Gaels and Frisians, in part through collaboration of Anglo-Saxon contemporary peers.

In Ireland, these Anglo-Saxons founded and maintained a monastery (Rath Melsigi) that focused their faith based on the model of the Irish connections to, for all intents and purposes, world building based on the ideals of what the Irish monasteries had already developed.

A student of this cross cultural development, named Willibrord (lived circa 658-739), of Northumbrian origin, went as one of 12 total monks on a mission to convert the Frisians to the faith, and later became the first bishop of the Diocese of Utrecht.

Willibrord preaching to the Frisians (Mural in the Rijksmuseum by Georg Sturm).

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The Frisian king of the period was Radbod (Redbad) whom was clearly the perennial warrior chief of the era, and set on a path to unify much of the territory under one kingdom, fighting with continental contemporaries.

Later, one of Radbod’s descendants, Saint Radbod, was a subsequent bishop of Utrecht.

I will further link this post (as I am gearing to finish the OP, especially with this content as a focal point for the Gaelic and Frisian connection), with the relevant data in ensuing periods.

However, I point out that in my research, there was another piece of knowledge that was a potential caveat to the Irish-Northumbrian mission to Frisia, that being how Radbod was in fact a raider of Southern Ireland (and the mission was in part a response for the raids).

This needs to be researched further, although it is apparent the mission occurred around the year 690.

[ott]

The original sources about Willibrord and the Radbods do not appear authentic to me, but rather fiction from the early years of the printing press: 15th or 16th century — in the best cases (somewhat) based on real events and names, but placed too far back in time. The same goes for sources about Antiquity and the Romans. I am still in the middle of a radical mental reorganisation, but all starts to make more sense already and there does not seem to be a way back into the old paradigm.
It's good practice to ask what is the oldest source about X; when, where and by whom was it discovered; first referred to; first published in print. You will discover that the answers are either vague or it's always the same network: church, ‘Latin schools’, universities, so-called Humanists (and their successors). Aiming to steal and distort the history of the conquered. It does not make these sources completely worthless. Once you recognise the patterns, it becomes more easy to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[Cú Chulainn]

The original sources about Willibrord and the Radbods do not appear authentic to me, but rather fiction from the early years of the printing press: 15th or 16th century

Once you recognise the patterns, it becomes more easy to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I knew you’d be right nearer to the truth regarding this Gaelic-Frisian connection, since Rodbad is apparently (to your printing press point) the last independent ruler of Frisia (pre-christianization).

Regarding the confluence of these known peoples, and disputed events and chronology, my estimation is the pseudo (factual) Irish historical narratives (post dating Túathal circa 1900 years before present for his death) are roughly 300 years backwards from their actual placement.

Where this begets the concordance of actual events with real timeline of years for separate and distinct people from Irish is our primary hurdle, I perceive.

Tacking on the 300 years for Willibrord (if a legitimate character) puts him close to circa less than 1000 years before present (or 1039 common era for his death).

In the case of Túathal (and Niall), Tuathal’s death would be more appropriate in the region of Niall’s death (400 common era and 1600 years before present) with his direct descendant, in Niall, being more appropriate for his exploits in the region of 700-800 common era (1200-1300 years ago).

As a seer and proponent of sourcing personal visions and others discernment (among the plethora of material both true and false found among online and offline sources post printing press era), Niall (coincidentally the last non-Christian high king of Ireland to unite all the island, in comparison to Rodbad’s supposed exploits), certainly is closer to 1300 years before present than 1600 years ago.

Regarding the contamination of who what when and where for the false script, versus the truthful data, the Anglo (and or Saxon) connection of Northumbrians in Ireland is attested in both peoples chronicles, which give a raid made by Northumbrians into Ireland, as well as one of Niall’s progeny (a female named Fín whom is his 1:6 or 1:7 degree descendent) marrying the prince of the Northumbrian kingdom (Oswiu) which coincided significant battles between the Scots (Gaels) and the fledgling kingdoms of Bernecia and Deria (the two Anglo kingdoms which formed the later Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria).

Niall’s Brythonic Maternal Ancestry.

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This marriage, and battles, among the apparent momentary establishment of a monastery in Ireland (by foreigners such as Northumbrians), pivots multiple events together for sourcing timeline corrections.

Adding the Frisians into the mix is where it gets hairy (for this particular data set), because of the massive chronological influx, however in terms of the genealogy, it appears both the major islands, which used to be connected to the continent (see OP’s land submersion infographic), have decent starting points based on the genealogy and apparent events.

I attached the rough workings of a preliminary maternal ancestry of Niall to this post which is heavily referenced in my introductory thesis for Filí na hÉireann.

Meaning, Niall is potentially a descendent of the historical Odin (Woden), whose son(s) established the kingdom of Gododdin in northeast Albion, below the Firth of Forth underneath what is known to be Pictland, then, later his descendant (as indicated) merged one of this figure’s lineages with the widely claimed to be pseudo genealogy of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of England prior to the Norman conquest.

So Niall’s era being 700-800s (1200-1300 years ago) and his descendants intercepting historical events in Anglo-Saxon chronicles, reframing to be sometime in the 950s-1100s (900-1050 years ago) presents a pivot point to coordinate any Frisian (ideally native) claims of exploits of prominent figures (or any remembered figures for that matter) from about 45-55 generations ago.

[Cú Chulainn]

early years of the printing press: 15th or 16th century

Niall’s era being 700-800s (1200-1300 years ago)

Following up on timeline discrepancies multiplied by the added dilutive force of chronological propaganda, made possible by the advent of industrialized printing material, preceding such a tool were continuously re-transcribed documents, such as the Oera Linda book.

In this particular case, mosaics (with stone edifices and artifacts in the mix the farther back history is assessed).

The mosaic in question was found in 2020, located in the Rutland portion of England, and prescribed to depict the battle of Achilles and Hector, followed by the subsequent dragging of Hector by chariot, and the weighing of the dead body to gold in front of both Achilles and Priam.

High definition photos of the three panels found here.

Apparently the third panel of the mosaic is featured only within the lost play of Aeschylus, regarding the weighing of Hector’s body.

First panel of Rutland mosaic featuring Achilles versus Hector on chariots.

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Achilles face and hair matches the Iliad’s description of him (xanthē [ξανθή] translated as fair, yellow, golden, or reddish-brown), and it is apparent he is a much larger individual than Hector based on the imagery.

Although, the contrast to the standard Iliad text is how Achilles rides at Hector naked (presuming this depiction is based on Achilles proving to Hector it is him, rather than Patroclus wearing Achilles armor, whom was slain earlier by Hector; versus, in the usual Iliad version, where Achilles gains new armor).

Unfortunately, the part with Hector’s body being dragged and weighed, Achilles is unable to be seen, however it is a keen insight into the thoughts of prior peoples, post Trojan war, in deciding upon how to detail the warriors.

In regards to how this relates to this Gaelic chronology post, and any potential Frisian extractions available, I find it quite striking how the dating of the apparent Roman mosaic is dated to between 1,600 and 1,800 years old (between 3rd and 4th centuries common era).

If the standard timeline is correct, then this would indeed be Niall’s era, however with my hypothesis, for Gaelic (Irish) historic chronicles being roughly 300 years off (primarily for last two thousand years, since the error in dated years continues to grow the further back one looks), it would be closer to Túathal and Cormac’s era.

There are certainly civilizational layers that we can use to determine advents of culture and technology.

Although as this forum has found quite clearly, among counter mainstream hypotheses, there is a certain, purposeful attempt to dilute the true chronology by mixing up multiple aspects of historical data.

One of these in particular, regarding the Gaels and their contemporary Scythian foes, is the use of chariots in Ireland and Britain.

For example, the Fír Bolg (mentioned briefly in part 1 and part 2 of the OP), are said to be the man of the bags (built upon a story about this Scythian tribe working in Greece, then rising up in revolt and fashioning ships out of bags to traverse to Ireland where they settled and eventually, for a time, were kings of Ireland).

This is absolutely preposterous, since Fír translates to both truth (Fír flaithmon as truth of the Prince or ruler’s judgement) and people in Gaelic linguistics, and due to recent research, built on by native Gaelic synthesizers of Phoenician and Gaelic dialects, Bolg actually is closer to chariot than bag.

Thus, Fír Bolg translates to People (or Tribe) of the Chariot.

In all practicality it renders well with Irish lore, since the Táin Bó Cúailnge epic and Ulster Cycle heavily use chariots in their stories.

The modern challenge is that Ireland is not a practical topography for chariot use, but any novice viewer of maps can easily see that great swaths of plains (in part made by the Gaelic chiefs) center throughout the middle part of the island from Connaught to Leinster.

General topography map of Ireland (light green low elevation and dark green high elevation).

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Britain as well is historically known to have implemented the use of chariots throughout its tribal historiography, and obviously they are a formidable weapon of war that align with more ancient timelines.

So, to wit, we have a cross cultural war vehicle that transcends people and eras, placed in a general region unrelated (as far as we know, see Iliad in the Baltics and the Fenian cycle) to the traditional Trojan War, continued in transmission as an artifice designed by supposed descendents (Aeneid) of the survivors of the fall of Troy.

Coincidentally, near the median between the land mass of Frisia and Éire.

Location of Rutland in England.

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[ott]

Very interesting.
Many thanks, Cú.
Much of it is too unfamiliar to me to relate to, but the more I know, the more it will make sense.
Do you have thoughts on Troy’s location and when its last war was fought?