You’re welcome, Ott! Yes, it is very similar for me with OLB material, and I feel once I grasp more of the language, it will help connect more threads
As for the Trojans of Troy, it is an excellent question.
There’s a personal reference which I will leave for the end, since it is related to seership and more founded in my own experience with group visioning (in my field of work, there is a definitive aggregate threshold to peering deeper into consciousness when surrounded by others, especially of likened kindred, whom are seeking similar results).
Without diverging too far into the void, I sat with the two part question for the better part of this weekend, pragmatically because the first response is that it is still occurring, in its ancient essence, by being accessible by seers, regardless of the era.
In the grounded truth, the chronological dating does become more honed when knowing its location, and for obvious reasons, understanding of either how that city falling was the end of the nation state, or with its people in flight, then it as the culture being continued, would persist in most likely perpetual wars to this era (I.e the ripple affects are still being played out today in modern wars, with women, subjectively right or not, an objective resource weighed differently on several sides).
The location seems more apt to speak on for the vision I will transmit here, but in the case of the last war, I can satirically pull from the Gaelic sources, since they ironically (being of fair hair and complexion themselves among the vary phenotypes of Scythian tribes) chose to venerate their warriors likened unto
Hector rather than Achilles.
Why this is the case, I’m unsure, yet the son of the famous High King of Ireland, truly the last to challenge the island to unite it all under Gaelic pressure, in Brian Ború, was acknowledged as Hector’s equal in his time,
Murchad.
At their head was the incomparable,
ever-triumphant Hector of the marvellous, many-nationed descendants of Adam, that is Brian’s son, Murchad, the Yew of Ross of Ireland’s rulers..
—
The War of the Gaedhil with the Gaill
Quite plainly, in Irish,
Ro be sin int Ectoir intamlaigtech na Erend (
He was the metaphorical Hector of all-victorious Ireland).
It further goes on to actually rank the men, in general, in comparison to what Hector would equal in regards to Murchad being the foremost Gaelic warrior (showing an apparent affinity by Gaels to understanding the value of a warrior such as Hector).
Hector was a match for seven like
Lugh Lamfhada, who was equal to seven like
Conall Cernach, who was equal to seven like Lugh Lagha, who was equal to seven like Mac Samhain, who was equal to seven like Murchadh; so that Hector was a match for 16,807 such heroes as Murchadh with all his valour.
—
The War of the Gaedhil with the Gaill
Knowing how Hector must have come before Murchad to compare the Prince of Troy to the two-blade wielding Prince of Erin, we can assert that Troy’s last war (with the fall of the
city of Troy ended its wars), was no less than 1,012 years ago prior to the
Battle of Clontarf in 1014 common era.
Definitively this is the last great battle of thousands of Gaels and foreigners prior to the Anglo-Norman (Cambrian) invasion of Ireland in 1169 common era.
So to say, the dating of the Battle of Clontarf is no further than +/-1,000 years ago, yet due to the compression of events and dating as we know has occurred, and the influx of the movement of men and resources during the post papal bull invasion of Ireland by different foreigners such as the Cambrians and Normans, the Battle of Clontarf could be as close as +/-850 years ago.
Secondly, an additional frame of reference to determine the chronology of the fall of Troy (again, the city falling being its last war), slightly beyond Murchad’s time, occurs with a direct agnatic descendent of Niall, in Muirchertach mac Néill.
Muircheartach of the Leather Cloaks, son of Niall Glúndubh, lord of Aileach, the Hector of the west of Europe in his time..
— Annals of the Four Masters
His death is dated (where the timeline spacing begins to show) either in 941 or 943 common era, about 1,083-1,085 years before present.
Therefore, Hector and the
city of Troy are at least a thousand years old, which most would agree upon.
Without assessing the will of the mainstream dating too keenly, since the dating is between 13th and 11th century before common era, or 3,100 to 3,300 years before present, with
Eratosthenes giving roughly 1194-1184 before common era (3110-3120 years before present), I lean on what my vision offered and the general generations of
Neoptolemus’ lineage, in the
Kingdom of Epirus, the son of Achilles.
Regardless of the actual connections, utilizing pedigrees is important for framing one’s mind to the depth of how far back certain figures can be placed in the timeline, for any culture or region.
Thus, someone like Alexander the Great, whom claimed descent from Achilles by Neoptolemus, can be framed as 1:11 generational degrees, or 10th in descent from Neoptolemus, then weighing him to a potential descendent (by the enatic lineage through a daughter) in
Gagik I of Armenia, at 1:58 generational degrees, or 57th in descent from Neoptolemus, it can be generated that the fall of Troy as a city (with its last war being fought) was more likely 1300 years before Murchad and Muirchertach‘s era, or about 2,300 years before present.
Gagik I died in 1020 common era, apparently, and Armenia is a close locale to the traditional location of Troy, and bearing the load of the usual satire, a location by which the original Gaels launched from to begin their sea voyages from the Black to Aegean to Mediterranean seas, then eventually the Atlantic Ocean.
When assessing Niall, he ranges in the 55th generation range from myself, so to say, I would be 54th from him (among numerous pathways to the figure), and as I’ve previously outlined in this thread of posts, that amount of generations maps out 1200-1300 years more so than 1600 years (which is the divergence from the traditional dating of Niall, and a path to redact the dating of other prominently known figures).
Combining these hypotheses, between generations backwards and references to figures in certain eras, the fall of the city of Troy is more likely than not backdated with the mainstream theory (which would make sense to push such potent lore beyond the general memory of folk in need of cultural synthesis).
As I had stated above, I will come back to the vision since it relates more to the topography of the city.
The Iliad in the Baltics never sat quite right with me, although the theory could be honing in on the solvency of similar voyages and invasions, which is why I mentioned the Fenian cycle, where
Fionn mac Cumhaill and his Fianna literally fight the King of the World and all the armies of the known world (and win).
Dáire Donn (
Donn meaning
brown haired) had a wife (daughter of the king of France) whom Fionn eloped with (sound familiar?), then Dáire sailed an enormous fleet to County Kerry (in Ireland) where they landed at Ventry Harbour (kings from and of France, Norway, Greece, Spain, Saxons, India and the far East all joined Dáire).
Fionn slew Dáire Donn in single combat (with the aide of the Tuatha Dé Danann, since prior to their arrival they were losing the battle).
This would be the era of
Cormac Mac Airt around 1700–1800 years before present (or 1400-1500 years before present when adjusting the Gaelic chronological history).
A far too conveniently similar story to the Iliad..
However, in my vision of the aforementioned example hitherto given, it coincided the vision I received regarding Niall running in the vanguard (each held various portions, yet this one specific to Achilles).
Like HD (high definition) I saw the beach of Troy and its city far off (insinuating a coastal terrain rather than fjords) with tall, fair slender warriors, two in particular, overlooking from a form of green oasis on an adjacent hill at the other end of the beach.
Clearly, to me, a younger version of Achilles and Patroclus, yet the oddity in the scene was the focus (in nature having gifted this
second sight).
Then, similar to the battle I saw of Niall, yet atypical in its scenery, a dust storm where the spear tip from an unseen shaft was bellowing from the plume and piercing warrior after warrior unopposed (Achilles dancing).
Beyond, this is two fold, and what I feel dismembers the fantasy of the playwright assuming Achilles rode naked, first, Hector himself, after running from Achilles (anticipated) standing in front of a tree,
naked, with the focus on his face and teethy smile (I’ve never seen a clearer vision even of Niall himself), almost taunting the son of Pelides knowing his death was there, but his body was un afraid.
Second, it went to a less high definition viewing of an enraged Achilles
in that new armor, with wroth akin to anger I’ve never
felt in this life, gripping that now seen spear shaft (right hand) and with a much more muscled body than seen in the first vision over looking the beach.
So, this was in a meditative state fostered by a learned Celtic studies practitioner of two plus decades (and Apache helicopter Vietnam war veteran, potentially an aide to the gravity of the war visions), where another person had only recounted seeing the land and being taken by said nature through a forest and stream up and around a waterfall like watershed (whether the vision was tethered I didn’t ask, however multiple others recalled similar experiences in this particular event).
That was about four years ago, and while some details are much more personal for the self only, it is clear the larger visions are meant to be shared, otherwise what is the point of claiming to be a Filidh, let alone a Druid.
Therein, the wars have never ended, but the city did fall, and that event is something and somewhere that can be scrutinized enough to be found, but ideally only through truth in the data.
The length of this post ideally sheds more light on the Gaelic chronology and its relation to contemporary world events, and to awaken those gold nuggets inside the readers whom seek more knowledge, since several of our posts (so far we are the only to post in this thread, Ott) have achieved over 100,000 views to date.
